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Mr Khan on 29 May 2011
babuks said:
dsage01 said:
Jumpin said:

In terms of franchise strength, Microsoft dwarfs Sony, and Nintendo makes Microsoft look like a Hobbit. 

Sony may be one of the biggest in the Industry, they have released more games than either Nintendo or Microsoft, but those games have none selling over 10 million, in fact Sony's highest selling title sold only 6.2 million, and all titles combined sold under 80 million on PS3.

Microsoft, on the otherhand, has two titles over 10 million, and one title (Halo Reach) which is not far behind. Microsoft also released far fewer titles than Sony and sold over 100 million games.

Nintendo easily has the strongest franchises with 7 games which have sold over 20 million, and have sold a total of over 330 million titles sold on Wii alone. The accomplishment is almost double Microsoft and Sony combined.

 

In terms of quality, Microsoft has Halo, Nintendo has Mario and Zelda. Sony's top franchise is Gran Turismo, which does not hold nearly the same significance to the videogaming universe as the other three I mentioned. Most people don't even know what else Sony makes besides Gran Turismo, but everyone knows Microsoft does Halo, and Nintendo does Mario and Zelda. In terms of quality, Nintendo came out on top with Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 by reviewers standards, Halo also did well, but Gran Turismo disappointed.

I strongly disagree with you. Yes maybe this gen Nintendo made Microsoft and Sony look like hobbits but only because of one reason, bundles. Nintendo bundles everyone of thier superhit or superflop games. Games like Wii Sports, NWSB, Mario Kart are one of the most bundled games of all time. Now lets go on to Microsoft and Sony. First of all Microsoft has only 1 title that passes over 10 million which is Halo 3. I am not going to count in Kinect adventures because it is bundled with every single Kinect and every 360 that comes with Kinect. We all know that PS3 was off to a very slow start in 2006 and 2007 wasn't much of an improvment either. Though in 2008 Sony was going good with games like MGS4, GTA 4, and GT5 prologue Q4 was owned by the 360 due to many big launches so that made the PS3 once again behind the 360. The PS3 only started getting sales after Q4 2009 due to the slim and the pricecut. So if you look at all the Sony software sales after the year 2009 Sony beats Microsoft. Games like Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5, God of War 3, FF13, Killzone series God of War collection knocks out games like Halo Reach, Forza 3, Left 4 dead and Mass effect 2. 

@dsage,

I could not agree with you more...

If you consider sale to be the only standard, I would like to give an example. If people are offered only Halo, Gears, Fable and Forza they will buy these three as they don't have any other games. But if people are offered Uncharted, MGS, God of War, LBP, Infamous, Gran Turismo, Heavy Rain, Killzone, Resistance, Motostorm, Ratchet, Socom, MAG, Demon Soul, WKC, Yakuza, Heavenly Sword they will divide in buying games and buy according to their choice, thus lessening the sale of each ips individually. So, the argument of sale=quality does not stand here. 

Doesn't work like that. Market saturation only works within a single genre (and sometimes not even then, sometimes you need games within a single franchise), and even then only applies within a certain sphere of time, or can apply within a timeframe (remember holiday season 2008, filled with flops because everyone bet so heavily on it, only the finest persevered)

A broad selection accumulated over a console's lifetime is no reason for them selling more poorly than they should have. So we should say that the only remaining argument is the one that stands



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Ail on 29 May 2011

Nintendo franchise sell better but they do not cover as many gaming genres.

Aside from the titles with Wii in their names Nintendo has failed to develop new IP this gen too, they made nice improvement on old recipes but have failed to come up with new ones...( and the issue with the Wii games is aside from the Nintendo name on the box they are not really IP you can copyright which has led to a drove of copies ( heck even Move Sport Champions and Kinect adventures are just copies).)

Sony lost many third party exclusives but did a very nice job developing successfull new IPs covering a wide range of genres ( Uncharted, LBP, Heavy Rain, ResistanceFoM to name a few).

Microsoft has a few IPs that are very successfull, the issue is that they cater mostly to the same crowd.( and CoD success has made it so that the fact that Sony not having a big FPS isn't that much an issue).



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

thismeintiel on 29 May 2011
Jumpin said:

In terms of franchise strength, Microsoft dwarfs Sony, and Nintendo makes Microsoft look like a Hobbit. 

Sony may be one of the biggest in the Industry, they have released more games than either Nintendo or Microsoft, but those games have none selling over 10 million, in fact Sony's highest selling title sold only 6.2 million, and all titles combined sold under 80 million on PS3.

Microsoft, on the otherhand, has two titles over 10 million, and one title (Halo Reach) which is not far behind. Microsoft also released far fewer titles than Sony and sold over 100 million games.

Nintendo easily has the strongest franchises with 7 games which have sold over 20 million, and have sold a total of over 330 million titles sold on Wii alone. The accomplishment is almost double Microsoft and Sony combined.

 

In terms of quality, Microsoft has Halo, Nintendo has Mario and Zelda. Sony's top franchise is Gran Turismo, which does not hold nearly the same significance to the videogaming universe as the other three I mentioned. Most people don't even know what else Sony makes besides Gran Turismo, but everyone knows Microsoft does Halo, and Nintendo does Mario and Zelda. In terms of quality, Nintendo came out on top with Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 by reviewers standards, Halo also did well, but Gran Turismo disappointed.

What, lol?  You just said most people don't know games Sony makes besides GT (1 franchise), but try to make MS look better because everyone knows MS makes Halo (also only 1 franchise).  Nice try, I guess.  In terms of franchise strength, you say Sony hasn't had a single game hit over 10 mil (GT5 most likely will).  I'm guessing you're just going this gen, as GT3 sold almost 15 mil, something a MS game has yet to do.  But if you are going with games just from this gen, what 2nd game made by MS has sold over 10 mil?  Halo 3 is the only one so far. 

@ OP

Definitely agree that Sony dwarfs MS in terms of IPs.  It seems MS's tactic of timed exclusives really only helped it early this gen, making it seem it had more exclusive IP's than it really did.  However, late in this gen, it is apparent that tactic has a big drawback.  Lack of exclusive games.  As many companies are no longer willing to go timed-exclusive, there is becoming less and less reason to have only a 360.  And since Sony is most likely not going to have bad start next gen, MS is still going to be lacking in the exclusive IP category.



 

Play4Fun on 29 May 2011

I wouldn't be surprised to see MS get a bunch of new IPs next gen. They're going to need it after all.

Sony obviously has more IPs than MS.

Only Nintendo surpasses them . Yet they sit on IPs fans have been begging for like the assholes they sometimes are.

Edit: I just read the posts with that old argument about Nintendo 'rehashing' games all the time. Those people don't seem to have a problem with all the sequels in the PS3's library and line up. More than half of them have the numbers 2 or 3 after them.

The only reason Nintendo has  the same IPs from years ago is because their IPs are more timeless and they create new experiences in the gameplay and keep them at constant high quality (except Other M),




Runa216 on 29 May 2011

I know this is just a harmless thread, but it's such fanboy troll bait! Sure, I'll bite! 

Damn right Sony has the best IP's!  they may not sell as well as nintendo, thanks to brand recognition, or microsofts thanks to lack of advertising, but it definitely has the best set of IP's.  That said, Nintendo still rocks the socks off something that rhymes with rocks.  I will never ever get sick of mario, zelda, metroid, kirby, donkey kong, and the various other amazing characters and franchises nintendo has. 



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IamAwsome on 30 May 2011
Ail said:

Nintendo franchise sell better but they do not cover as many gaming genres.

Aside from the titles with Wii in their names Nintendo has failed to develop new IP this gen too, they made nice improvement on old recipes but have failed to come up with new ones...( and the issue with the Wii games is aside from the Nintendo name on the box they are not really IP you can copyright which has led to a drove of copies ( heck even Move Sport Champions and Kinect adventures are just copies).)

Sony lost many third party exclusives but did a very nice job developing successfull new IPs covering a wide range of genres ( Uncharted, LBP, Heavy Rain, ResistanceFoM to name a few).

Microsoft has a few IPs that are very successfull, the issue is that they cater mostly to the same crowd.( and CoD success has made it so that the fact that Sony not having a big FPS isn't that much an issue).

While I do agree that Nintendo needs to make some new IPs, I don't agree that Sony's IPs cover more gaming genres. The only genre that Sony has that Nintendo doesn't have is FPS, and Sports sims. Nintendo has several genres that Sony doesn't have like fighting games, RTS, and RPGs. I think that overall, Nintendo's games cover more genres then Sony's games.



GuiltySpartan77 on 30 May 2011

We will see when E3 is here lets hope all three are good.



IMU1808 on 30 May 2011

"There’s no doubt Sony will make some type of announcement regarding both new and returning franchises, but which ones I don’t know."

No FUCKING WAY!



IMU1808 on 30 May 2011
IamAwsome said:
Ail said:

Nintendo franchise sell better but they do not cover as many gaming genres.

Aside from the titles with Wii in their names Nintendo has failed to develop new IP this gen too, they made nice improvement on old recipes but have failed to come up with new ones...( and the issue with the Wii games is aside from the Nintendo name on the box they are not really IP you can copyright which has led to a drove of copies ( heck even Move Sport Champions and Kinect adventures are just copies).)

Sony lost many third party exclusives but did a very nice job developing successfull new IPs covering a wide range of genres ( Uncharted, LBP, Heavy Rain, ResistanceFoM to name a few).

Microsoft has a few IPs that are very successfull, the issue is that they cater mostly to the same crowd.( and CoD success has made it so that the fact that Sony not having a big FPS isn't that much an issue).

While I do agree that Nintendo needs to make some new IPs, I don't agree that Sony's IPs cover more gaming genres. The only genre that Sony has that Nintendo doesn't have is FPS, and Sports sims. Nintendo has several genres that Sony doesn't have like fighting games, RTS, and RPGs. I think that overall, Nintendo's games cover more genres then Sony's games.


SONY has many RPG IP. Most of them just haven't been touched this gen. They've created 2 new one but one was very niche (Demon's Souls) and the other just didn't have a decent first game (White Knight Chronicles). RTS, I don't know. Not my genre. Fighting games, in the past SONY had some strong partner ship with Namco which is why Tekken was only found on PS and arcades. At the begining of the gen, Namco and SONY also made a brand new studio together but that partner ship isn't what it used to be and all info on that studio just disappeared.



Roma on 30 May 2011
Xen said:
Onyxmeth said:
Xen said:

No shit. In my eyes, they are leaps and bounds ahead of Nintendo as well.

Just curious but why? Nintendo in my eyes has the IP department on lock. I'd say they have an entire 2-3 tiers of IPs with more selling potential than anything Sony is able to produce. Anything we can really judge IP success by is something Nintendo crushes Sony at overall. 

Sales? It's very likely that they'll outdo Sony indeed (99% chance!). I just don't like the fact that they barely make any worthy new IP's, and the ones that they do have are redone to all hell, time and time again (with nice breathes of air, like Wind Waker, SMG, and DKC Returns, some others). Make something new, guys. The genre diversity is also not as big as Sony's.

You do know that most Sony games are bought up together with the company that makes them right? I hardy call that “making” new IPs :P



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