It has the same issue the Wii has. Great hardware sales don't mean anything if software sales are so low that no one makes any money on it.

Well surprise, surprise. An objection by Phoenix Wright.  Well, I've never played any of your games but I know better than to try to argue with an Ace Attorney.  I'll back down.

Gotta get myself an intimidating avatar.........

I don't completely object to your own reasoning. It wasn't an utter failure, but it wasn't a large success either. Sony launched it at a loss, and it took them years to get to the point that it broke even. Even now, 5 years down the road, I doubt Sony has brought in any substantial profit on the device.

In addition, 3rd parties have had incredibly mixed results on the device (again, similar to my Wii comparison). Capcom obviously rakes it in with Monster Hunter, and SE seems to do alright for themselves, but western publishers made jack on the device, to the point that even many sports games have abandoned it.Same with most Japanese companies, including SEGA, Namco, and Konami, all of whom have found their games underperforming for expectations. Its annual software revenue was passed by iOS devices incredibly fast, and in recent years it's managed a pathetic 15% of total handheld software revenue.

As a PSP owner, I rather enjoy the device, though I wish it were a bit more portable, but I wouldn't call it a success, or if I did, a very small one. It certainly won't do anything to inspire confidence from 3rd parties in the NGP's performance. 

I don't get it - I have yet to see a single person call it a failure yet you seem all up in arms and ready to wage war. Why are you getting so heated up just because people don't necessarily think it's a huge success? On top of that, you seem far more interested in making personal insults than actually refuting people's arguments. Calling people idiots or lacking in common sense doesn't help anyone and makes it look like you lack argument.

Also, my measures of success are far from randomly made-up. Judging anything based on past performance and general consensus is exactly how you're supposed to measure success. I mean, take a look at Wii's current sales. 100k a week is awesome for any product to sell and you'd have to be an idiot to deny that. Yet why does everyone think the Wii's doing terribly? It's because everyone thought that it was going to outsell the PS2 and sell much more and because it was selling a lot before in the past years. There is nothing abnormal about judging success as such. It's clearly common sense, given how everyone does it.

how are those insults? you seem to have not had any proper insults aimed at you in life or something :S you don't seem to be able to recognize any properly. It's true jumping to conclusions (wrong conclusion too) like that is idiotic and I have no problem saying. It IS common sense, I don't really care if people think it's too harsh or something.

and not sure why you think I'm up in arms over this? you sound more worked up than anyone here, so did padib. Not that I care tho...just weired you think I'm that worked up over this..you and all your friends come in here stand on your heads and scream psp wasn't a success or great success or w/e still won't mean much to me..it's all opinion at the end of the day

I guess the wii comment ticked you guys off a bit :P but seriously you also seem to miss the point. Wii is a SUCCESS for Ninty. It can suck in 3rd party support, current line up, online features, HW strength etc etc but it sold tremendously well, got them money and helped them make their mark in the casual market. Just because I think it was a failure doesn't mean it was to the company. Same applies to PSP. And boo friggin hoo about it was supposed to "insert some expectations comment here". Things change, would sony have loved to wipe the floor with ninty? OF COURSE! what company wouldn't?! that would be ace for any company. Doesn't mean they won't revise their goals and expectations as they go. 3DS was supposed to be sold out for months too you know? doesn't make it a failure, they will just change the expectations a bit and it will end up a success on all front in the end.

and your last paragraph is filled with hypocrisy LOL but I won't waste time pointing that out. Read it yourself and you might get it. This success is concerning with the pov of a company not fanboys expectations or bragging rights. I agree with Naz on the point about SW, that's the only area imho that the psp lacked..not in quality or the offerings but the sales. Not sure why you guys are wasting your time here trying to prove something that just can't be proved beyond boohoo everyone expected this this this comments. But oh well knock yourself out

oh and btw d2tlewis comment was SPOT ON! refer to it, lot of truth in a few words

how are those insults? you seem to have not had any proper insults aimed at you in life or something :S you don't seem to be able to recognize any properly. It's true jumping to conclusions (wrong conclusion too) like that is idiotic and I have no problem saying. It IS common sense, I don't really care if people think it's too harsh or something.

and not sure why you think I'm up in arms over this? you sound more worked up than anyone here, so did padib. Not that I care tho...just weired you think I'm that worked up over this..you and all your friends come in here stand on your heads and scream psp wasn't a success or great success or w/e still won't mean much to me..it's all opinion at the end of the day

I guess the wii comment ticked you guys off a bit :P but seriously you also seem to miss the point. Wii is a SUCCESS for Ninty. It can suck in 3rd party support, current line up, online features, HW strength etc etc but it sold tremendously well, got them money and helped them make their mark in the casual market. Just because I think it was a failure doesn't mean it was to the company. Same applies to PSP. And boo friggin hoo about it was supposed to "insert some expectations comment here". Things change, would sony have loved to wipe the floor with ninty? OF COURSE! what company wouldn't?! that would be ace for any company. Doesn't mean they won't revise their goals and expectations as they go. 3DS was supposed to be sold out for months too you know? doesn't make it a failure, they will just change the expectations a bit and it will end up a success on all front in the end.

and your last paragraph is filled with hypocrisy LOL but I won't waste time pointing that out. Read it yourself and you might get it. This success is concerning with the pov of a company not fanboys expectations or bragging rights. I agree with Naz on the point about SW, that's the only area imho that the psp lacked..not in quality or the offerings but the sales. Not sure why you guys are wasting your time here trying to prove something that just can't be proved beyond boohoo everyone expected this this this comments. But oh well knock yourself out

oh and btw d2tlewis comment was SPOT ON! refer to it, lot of truth in a few words

Of course, these aren't terrible insults or anything, but saying stuff like "not that I expected any better from you" is just ticking off the other person and not helping your argument at all. Also, I haven't seen anyone else calling a difference in opinion lacking common sense. It's not harsh, just inaccurate.

I just think you're up in arms because you're opposing everybody who dares to suggest that the PSP isn't a success. Don't worry about me, though, I sound really worked up in arguments, but usually I'm not. Thanks for the concern, :P. And you really need to read through posts more carefully. Heck, this other guy even said in the first part of his post that he thinks the PSP is a success. Don't see where you're getting "stand on your heads and screaming" that PSP isn't a success. As for me, I suggested that PSP may not be a great success (didn't say it wasn't, just suggested the possibility) in all of two sentences. Hardly standing on my head and screaming. Besides, you make it sound like this some organised effort to attack the PSP (with my "friend" who I've never referred to before).

And I see your point completely. You're trying to sound ridiculous and saying that your argument is the same as mine. But you see, it isn't. If you're going to say that initial expectations aren't how you judge overall success, then I don't think there is an objective way to do so. That means that we arrive at the same conclusion that I did with CGI-Quality a few pages ago - it depends on your perspective. That means that it's pointless to call it a success or a failure, which was my point.

For my last paragraph, I can see how you might consider that hypocritical, but that much was intentional. I'm trying to make the distinction between short term and long term. Short term, Wii sales aren't a success, which I might argue for PSP long term, but long term, they are, which is why I was calling you out for claiming (albeit just to prove a point) that Wii wasn't one.

now you see there's a reason why I didn't reply to your last reply -_- it's just gonna drag on and at the end we will just have to agree to disagree on this

the stand on your head thing was exagaration..OBVIOUSLY! lol don't take it too seriously

and you are flat out wrong. If I started arguing with everyone who stated that I won't be able to leave threads like this. and even if I did that doesn't imply I'm worked up, it implies I flat out disagree with them and I let them know so. Have nothing to do with being angry or anything silly like that.

And again it IS common sense, not a diagreement of opinions. What dictates a success are things that matters to the company not fans who are searching for the next fodder in the console warz! lol. PSP sold a lot, earned money for the company and going into next gen Sony will be happy with how PSP did. In a business expectations and goals can and does change, simple as that. WHen you start off it's not really a bad strategy to aim highest as you can, doesn't mean any less is a failure for a business, simple as that. The wii and 3ds comments were to show how flawed your logic was, both of those products have their shortcomings, doesn't meany they were (will be) a failure for the company. As long as they help getting money, marketshare etc. it's a success for them. So is the psp for Sony. And don't misunderstand, I never said or implied you and I are saying the same thing, that's rediculous if THAT's what you got from my posts. You should take your own advice about reading things better I think. What I'm saying is that saying psp in the long term wasn't a success for Sony is misguided to say it in the most sincerest way possible. If selling a console iaround 80 mil in a market they entered for the first time too mind you, and was more than enough to make a succesor and have around 80 devs already making games for it = long term failure...I clearly have nothing to argue with you about. For some reason you can't seem to move on from the bu bu it was supposed to ... mode.Let me make it EVEN simpler for yyou here, if 3DS sells in it's LT around only 70-80mil and if it brings ninty money and have game support moving into the next gen, it will still be a success. Not AS successful as the DS, but a success nontheless. But then again one might argue about losing marketshare if that happens, but that doesn't apply for the PSP.

As for the perspective point, sure, for anyone but the company who had their personal expectations not met things might not be a success for sure. But for Sony? PSP is anything but a failure. Like I said refer to d2lewis's post, he nailed in the least number of words possible. It did a lot of things a company would want from a product entering a new market, gained marketshare, money, good foothold entering the next gen.

oh and that hypocracy thing just flew over your head it seems :D but I won't bother pointing it out but for the record that intentional thing you say you did is not the part I'm pointing at, I'll just leave it at that

hahahahahhahahahhaha

you mad bro? LOL

dude did you just blow your fuse or something? fanboy, chump yada yada yada :D you gonna hurt my feeling you know..be careful now, you're too gangsta on the interwebz for me to handle with such harsh mean mean words you meanie you

man you say I don't know you then turn around and act like you know me? hahahahha brilliant

there are those who can argue, discuss and keep it going. then there's people like you. mad respect for immortal on that part, me and he head butt big time in this thread but never got to this low..I mean just wow :D

and yet keep whining about 'my point's 'contradictions' etc etc..but haven't understood the point at all! before you blew your fuse you might have at least tried reconfirm things with me yet you took this path. >_> sigh this is entertaining but a good disucussion would have been better

welcome to your world padib, clueless one at that. I just showed not everything has to be perfect for something to be a success and you took that and act as if I insulted your family or something LOL I mean just wow..glad to hear you have an intelligence and I hurt it...w/e that intelligent statement means

anywho champ, I'm scared now 0_0 you are teaching me lessons on the internet! scary scary...I will leave you and your lil tantrum to yourself and not stoop to your level, your angry words are gonna make me lose sleep now! OMGGGGG

LOL

come back when you want to have a proper discussion ;)