Immortal said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Immortal said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
if you can't understand what a person is trying to say, ask questions, don't assume crap it makes you look like a complete idiot in the process. Why I think wii is laughable is not only because it's current status, it's the gaming library, hw strength etc etc. and that's not even the point I was trying to make. You can't come up with measures of success on your own. You can't seem to graps the concept of common sense, and the comment as a whole is so dumb....well not that I expected any better from you. Here's a little info for you, a products success doesn't mean the competition failed. DS did amazingly well, psp did great too. It has the sales and the gaming library to back it up. and fyi psp outsold ds in the first year or so iirc. I have a point of view that some of you should just move along, not many are agreeing with what you guys are saying and rambling on about it won't change that, it's just become rather silly now. PSP will sell about 80mil LT, has an extensive gaming library, earned sony money and helped them get their foot in on the portable gaming market. It's a great success for them. You are playing a ignorant game now and frankly not sure why I waste my time with you. Guess I touched a nerve with my 3ds comment LOL...sorry to hurt your feelings or something I guess. What you lack is an understanding of what is considered a success in a business, and that's ok, just try to educate on yourself on that a bit. common sense portion...can't help you there
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I don't get it - I have yet to see a single person call it a failure yet you seem all up in arms and ready to wage war. Why are you getting so heated up just because people don't necessarily think it's a huge success? On top of that, you seem far more interested in making personal insults than actually refuting people's arguments. Calling people idiots or lacking in common sense doesn't help anyone and makes it look like you lack argument.
Also, my measures of success are far from randomly made-up. Judging anything based on past performance and general consensus is exactly how you're supposed to measure success. I mean, take a look at Wii's current sales. 100k a week is awesome for any product to sell and you'd have to be an idiot to deny that. Yet why does everyone think the Wii's doing terribly? It's because everyone thought that it was going to outsell the PS2 and sell much more and because it was selling a lot before in the past years. There is nothing abnormal about judging success as such. It's clearly common sense, given how everyone does it.
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how are those insults? you seem to have not had any proper insults aimed at you in life or something :S you don't seem to be able to recognize any properly. It's true jumping to conclusions (wrong conclusion too) like that is idiotic and I have no problem saying. It IS common sense, I don't really care if people think it's too harsh or something.
and not sure why you think I'm up in arms over this? you sound more worked up than anyone here, so did padib. Not that I care tho...just weired you think I'm that worked up over this..you and all your friends come in here stand on your heads and scream psp wasn't a success or great success or w/e still won't mean much to me..it's all opinion at the end of the day
I guess the wii comment ticked you guys off a bit :P but seriously you also seem to miss the point. Wii is a SUCCESS for Ninty. It can suck in 3rd party support, current line up, online features, HW strength etc etc but it sold tremendously well, got them money and helped them make their mark in the casual market. Just because I think it was a failure doesn't mean it was to the company. Same applies to PSP. And boo friggin hoo about it was supposed to "insert some expectations comment here". Things change, would sony have loved to wipe the floor with ninty? OF COURSE! what company wouldn't?! that would be ace for any company. Doesn't mean they won't revise their goals and expectations as they go. 3DS was supposed to be sold out for months too you know? doesn't make it a failure, they will just change the expectations a bit and it will end up a success on all front in the end.
and your last paragraph is filled with hypocrisy LOL but I won't waste time pointing that out. Read it yourself and you might get it. This success is concerning with the pov of a company not fanboys expectations or bragging rights. I agree with Naz on the point about SW, that's the only area imho that the psp lacked..not in quality or the offerings but the sales. Not sure why you guys are wasting your time here trying to prove something that just can't be proved beyond boohoo everyone expected this this this comments. But oh well knock yourself out
oh and btw d2tlewis comment was SPOT ON! refer to it, lot of truth in a few words
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Of course, these aren't terrible insults or anything, but saying stuff like "not that I expected any better from you" is just ticking off the other person and not helping your argument at all. Also, I haven't seen anyone else calling a difference in opinion lacking common sense. It's not harsh, just inaccurate.
I just think you're up in arms because you're opposing everybody who dares to suggest that the PSP isn't a success. Don't worry about me, though, I sound really worked up in arguments, but usually I'm not. Thanks for the concern, :P. And you really need to read through posts more carefully. Heck, this other guy even said in the first part of his post that he thinks the PSP is a success. Don't see where you're getting "stand on your heads and screaming" that PSP isn't a success. As for me, I suggested that PSP may not be a great success (didn't say it wasn't, just suggested the possibility) in all of two sentences. Hardly standing on my head and screaming. Besides, you make it sound like this some organised effort to attack the PSP (with my "friend" who I've never referred to before).
And I see your point completely. You're trying to sound ridiculous and saying that your argument is the same as mine. But you see, it isn't. If you're going to say that initial expectations aren't how you judge overall success, then I don't think there is an objective way to do so. That means that we arrive at the same conclusion that I did with CGI-Quality a few pages ago - it depends on your perspective. That means that it's pointless to call it a success or a failure, which was my point.
For my last paragraph, I can see how you might consider that hypocritical, but that much was intentional. I'm trying to make the distinction between short term and long term. Short term, Wii sales aren't a success, which I might argue for PSP long term, but long term, they are, which is why I was calling you out for claiming (albeit just to prove a point) that Wii wasn't one.
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now you see there's a reason why I didn't reply to your last reply -_- it's just gonna drag on and at the end we will just have to agree to disagree on this
the stand on your head thing was exagaration..OBVIOUSLY! lol don't take it too seriously
and you are flat out wrong. If I started arguing with everyone who stated that I won't be able to leave threads like this. and even if I did that doesn't imply I'm worked up, it implies I flat out disagree with them and I let them know so. Have nothing to do with being angry or anything silly like that.
And again it IS common sense, not a diagreement of opinions. What dictates a success are things that matters to the company not fans who are searching for the next fodder in the console warz! lol. PSP sold a lot, earned money for the company and going into next gen Sony will be happy with how PSP did. In a business expectations and goals can and does change, simple as that. WHen you start off it's not really a bad strategy to aim highest as you can, doesn't mean any less is a failure for a business, simple as that. The wii and 3ds comments were to show how flawed your logic was, both of those products have their shortcomings, doesn't meany they were (will be) a failure for the company. As long as they help getting money, marketshare etc. it's a success for them. So is the psp for Sony. And don't misunderstand, I never said or implied you and I are saying the same thing, that's rediculous if THAT's what you got from my posts. You should take your own advice about reading things better I think. What I'm saying is that saying psp in the long term wasn't a success for Sony is misguided to say it in the most sincerest way possible. If selling a console iaround 80 mil in a market they entered for the first time too mind you, and was more than enough to make a succesor and have around 80 devs already making games for it = long term failure...I clearly have nothing to argue with you about. For some reason you can't seem to move on from the bu bu it was supposed to ... mode.Let me make it EVEN simpler for yyou here, if 3DS sells in it's LT around only 70-80mil and if it brings ninty money and have game support moving into the next gen, it will still be a success. Not AS successful as the DS, but a success nontheless. But then again one might argue about losing marketshare if that happens, but that doesn't apply for the PSP.
As for the perspective point, sure, for anyone but the company who had their personal expectations not met things might not be a success for sure. But for Sony? PSP is anything but a failure. Like I said refer to d2lewis's post, he nailed in the least number of words possible. It did a lot of things a company would want from a product entering a new market, gained marketshare, money, good foothold entering the next gen.
oh and that hypocracy thing just flew over your head it seems :D but I won't bother pointing it out but for the record that intentional thing you say you did is not the part I'm pointing at, I'll just leave it at that
