I don't keep track of this stuff, but I thought that third parties were really failing in the early years of the generation. Is that incorrect? And surely the fact that HD games were (are?) rather expensive to make isn't made up too?

But I wouldn't know - I guess I'm influenced too much by pro-Nintendo arguments if this stuff is incorrect.

i'm soo sick and tired of the wii fans whining all the time about 3rd party wii support.  the wii got tons of third party support.  but they did it in they way that third parties always to it ... they saw which software was being sucessful and tried to cash in on that sucess.

wii fit sold more than 20M  units and for that you got dozens of fitness games.

wii sports/wii play sold more than 20M each and for that you got dozens of mini game collections

smash bros sold over 10M and for that you about a dozen quality fighters

metroid barely cracked 1.5M  for that you got really nothing.

third parties chase sucess, that's just what they do.  they see a market and try to capture it.  nintendo showed the most sucessful markets on the wii were fitness and mini-games and that what third parties tried to cash in on.  HD consoles get almost nothing but shooters and that's third parties trying to cash in on the success of halo/CoD. 

third parties are not responible for creating markets .. that's the platform owners duty.  if you want to blame anyone about what kind of games you got on the wii blame nintendo for not trying to create that market on their system.

and while your at it consider this ... for all of the "casual" success nintendo had they haven't been able to recreate that since New Super Mario Wii a few years back in terms of software and the 3DS seems to be showing nintendo missed the mark entirely with that hardware.  this "causual" market isn't exactly an easy market to crack.  if nintendo can't cater to this market consitently why do you expect anyone else to be able to do that?

Of course, but third parties have never really been after this "money" thing. It's all about prestige.

You're contradicting yourself. See underlined.

Plus, it's not whining about 3rd party support. It's discussing if it was a good thing that they ignored the Wii.

You're like one of those racist people calling other racist when no such thing exists to begin with.

They got an NES 6 for their troubles. I think third parties are extremely interested in having a third platform to divide the cost of titles over.

As I've been saying since about 2007 or so, its not the consumers or Nintendos fault.  Its the third parties themselves.  They almost completely ignored the Wii for 2 years.  Then when they finally realized the Wii was beating out the other two consoles nearly 2:1, they only made their most low budget and/or 'casual' titles for the system.  In other words, they treated the Wii like the inferior 3rd console no one wanted to play, dispite sales clearly showing the majority of people DID want to play it.

Consumers picked up on this and soon it was apparent that the only good games for the system were Nintendo made properties like Mario, WiiFit and Smash Bros.  Consumers aren't as stupid as third parties make them out to be and they aren't going to go running out to by 20 Million copies of Imagine Babiez or EA Sports Fitness when they can just as easily buy Mario Kart or WiiFit.

There's a difference between 'tons of support' and 'good support'.  The XBOX360 and Wii have both gotten more 'support' from third parties, but the PS3 got the 'good' support with original titles, unique DLC for PS3 versions of games and better graphics.

how is that a contradication?  third parties are trying to cash in on the HD consoles with shooters right?  i mean, the purpose of making games is to make money no?  they see a market making lots of money and they try to capitolize on that.  this is known as cashing in.  it is no different on the wii then it is on HD it is just different games genres that are raking in the big numbers.

so again, wii not ignored.  you are just blinding yourself to only the games you want to view.  carnival games, mario and sonic at the olympic games, just dance 1 and 2, wii active, lego star wars, guitar hero III and world tour.  how many of those 3M + sellers have you decided not to count as games?

 I really dont care about most third parties to begin with, but yes, I think is a lose-lose situation. While is true that the wii was ignored for the most of the good multiplats (Tons of reasons why, but thats another topic) wii got some other games such as just dance, while I may not like just dance, I have to agree that that game moved more hardware than uncharted/infamous/killzone and some other great quality titles. The third parties belived that the wii was a moms-only console, and thats their fault... Nintendo in the other hand, made tons and tons of money with his software, why? Well nintendo's quality is peerless and there were not so many other games to choose from. 

Lose-lose situation for 3rdparties-wiigamer (Missing some great titles)

win-win= nintendo still made tons of money

you can't blame third parties for the level of graphics on the wii.  not only did nintendo release a hardward that was underpowered compared to their compitiation they also actively spoke out that developers need to stop trying to focus on games with pretty graphics and instead focus on other elements.  furthermore nintendo put the biggest software push behind their wii series which i'd argue is some of the worst graphics of any games produced for the wii.

good support is in the eye of the beholder.  when games like carnival games, just dance 1 and 2, ea active obtain high sales and the supposed "good" games don't ... that's the market speaking with dollars that they don't want those games.

you have to remember, nintendo found success with the expanded market.  this is the market that didn't care about GTA,  Gran turismo, final fantasy, metal gear, kingdom hearts, metal of honor, god of war and all of the other games that appeared on the ps2 and couldn't motivate them to buy a video game system.  this is an audience that wanted something different and found it in wii sports.  your good software is their blah software. 

I see you post in topics like this all the time with your insane and ancedotal, half-assed statements. I pretty muc always ignore you because, well, I know that is your personality, but you made a statement about Smash Bros and then getting fighting games and that is just way over the line. With the success of Smash Bros, you would think games like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Blaz Blu, Guilty Gear, would show up in full force right? Right? What about a DOA game? What was that, nothing of the sort? Hell, the 3DS is got Super IV and DOA with I believe a Blaz Blu on the way... and those are all coming bacause that was an established market for the platform, right?

Unfortunately for you, there is not much fact within what you post. Developers put their money where they believe they can make money. The put these games on 3DS because they think they will sell well on the console, despite what the console sales themselves look like. The same thing with home console games. It is all about busniess. Point blank, Monster Hunter Tri came out on Wii exclusively because they thought it was the best BUSINESS decision, not because the market was proven on for the game. Nintendo have NEVER catered to the market you speak about, yet half of the video gaming generations (just like this one), will end up with Nintendo as the console sales leader. Third parties have better relationships and better funding from Sony and Microsoft, point blank. To say it is about market this or that when it is clearly not is just crazy. Nintendo never made a Mortal Kombat game, yet thee SNES got a bunch of those.

The problem is that people like us do not understand the business side of things. If Microsoft and Sony can create better business plans, advertisement, and deals for third party developers, then the developers are going to develop for their console. It is very simple really, but we do not know thee atmosphere. I mean, why else would Japanese developers want to develop for XBOX 360 when it will never make a sales dent in Japans home console market? Because business is probably better for them there. And that business is supplied by Microsoft themselves moreso than the consumer.