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Xen said:
NJ5 said:
Xen said:
Slimebeast said:

Obviously u should get a Radeon 6950 rather than the Geforce 560Ti. Faster for the same price and it's  AMD instead of Nvidia.

The Core i5 2500K is overpowered for either of those GPUs but it's good as a future proof since you can switch GPU to a twice or three times as fast in a couple of years and still keep the CPU to feed it without a problem.
(id buy a Phenom II personally but that's it's because I don't like Intel)

Basically Khuutra you need to make a choice and ask yourself if you will keepthe whole package for 3-4 years or if you will want to go with the split strategy and upgrade the GPU in two years. Because in the first scenario the CPU is overpowered for the whole lifetime.

That doesn't make it better, that only makes it worse. Driver support for ATI cards is another kind of horrid. And Intel's CPU's run circles around AMD's these days, you're not in 2005 anymore. In any and all benchmarks that I've seen Phenom II's got beat by i7's.

You have a good build lined up for you, go for it Khuutra.

 

ATI (now called AMD) graphics drivers are just fine today, it's not 2005 anymore...

1. True. And yet, what logo do you see on the GPU boxes? Ah, yes, ATI.

2. If they were, I wouldn't have said that they are problematic. Prowl around some newegg Radeon GPU reviews.

HD6xxx series say AMD on the box...



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VetteDude said:
Xen said:
NJ5 said:
Xen said:
Slimebeast said:

Obviously u should get a Radeon 6950 rather than the Geforce 560Ti. Faster for the same price and it's  AMD instead of Nvidia.

The Core i5 2500K is overpowered for either of those GPUs but it's good as a future proof since you can switch GPU to a twice or three times as fast in a couple of years and still keep the CPU to feed it without a problem.
(id buy a Phenom II personally but that's it's because I don't like Intel)

Basically Khuutra you need to make a choice and ask yourself if you will keepthe whole package for 3-4 years or if you will want to go with the split strategy and upgrade the GPU in two years. Because in the first scenario the CPU is overpowered for the whole lifetime.

That doesn't make it better, that only makes it worse. Driver support for ATI cards is another kind of horrid. And Intel's CPU's run circles around AMD's these days, you're not in 2005 anymore. In any and all benchmarks that I've seen Phenom II's got beat by i7's.

You have a good build lined up for you, go for it Khuutra.

 

ATI (now called AMD) graphics drivers are just fine today, it's not 2005 anymore...

1. True. And yet, what logo do you see on the GPU boxes? Ah, yes, ATI.

2. If they were, I wouldn't have said that they are problematic. Prowl around some newegg Radeon GPU reviews.

HD6xxx series say AMD on the box...

The most recent one I have is of a 5670. Says ATI Radeon Graphics. Same thing with the stickers on recent laptops. A pleasant change, considering that ATI was acquired in... 2005? 6? Don't remember.



Slimebeast you have turned this into an Nvidia vs. AMD argument and for that I will destroy you.



Xen said:
Slimebeast said:

Obviously u should get a Radeon 6950 rather than the Geforce 560Ti. Faster for the same price and it's  AMD instead of Nvidia.

The Core i5 2500K is overpowered for either of those GPUs but it's good as a future proof since you can switch GPU to a twice or three times as fast in a couple of years and still keep the CPU to feed it without a problem.
(id buy a Phenom II personally but that's it's because I don't like Intel)

Basically Khuutra you need to make a choice and ask yourself if you will keepthe whole package for 3-4 years or if you will want to go with the split strategy and upgrade the GPU in two years. Because in the first scenario the CPU is overpowered for the whole lifetime.

That doesn't make it better, that only makes it worse. Driver support for ATI cards is another kind of horrid. And Intel's CPU's run circles around AMD's these days, you're not in 2005 anymore. In any and all benchmarks that I've seen Phenom II's got beat by i7's.

You have a good build lined up for you, go for it Khuutra.

Steam says different.



Xen said:

The most recent one I have is of a 5670. Says ATI Radeon Graphics. Same thing with the stickers on recent laptops. A pleasant change, considering that ATI was acquired in... 2005? 6? Don't remember.

AMD may have acquired ATI several years ago, but they were still using the ATI name on their graphics products. It wasn't until around August of 2010 that they decided to remove the ATI name.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9182726/AMD_to_remove_ATI_brand_from_graphics_tools

"The company always had the option to transition brand names since the merger, but Erskine said now was the right time as AMD wanted to take advantage of its growing momentum in the graphics market, Erskine said.

The change could also help give AMD more exposure. For example, Apple uses the ATI graphics in the iMac, with the ATI logo prominently displayed on Apple's website. The logo would instead reflect AMD, which could help expand the company's visibility."

 

As for driver problems I think currently the only real problems are getting Crossfire profiles for new games, which only affects users with multiple video cards. This isn't just limited to AMD though as Nvidia has the same problem with SLI and getting new games optimized for/working with SLI. (I think I read that DAII took Nvidia about a month to get SLI working properly)

I'm waiting on a Crossfire hotfix for the Witcher 2 at the moment, so I can play the Witcher 2 with ubersampling.




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Since a little after 2000 computers I have owned have basically alternated between nvidia and ATI/AMD and They are both the exact same fucking shit. The only difference is that ATI drivers have the reputation of shitty for a good reason, but there was also the occassional nvidia driver that really fucked things up. Most recently around the start of the yeare there was one that woudl overheat your card and destroy it.

However, nVidia does have PhysX and more importantly CUDA, which are absolutely fucking awesome. Also the scalavility of SLI of the 400 series is absolutely sick. 100% in some games, I mean holy shit that's something right there. I am currently running a nice and hot 480 (it's actually very useful as a space heater since my roommates like it colder than I do, and the PC keeps the temperature just right, I know it's weird but there you go). Maybe one day I'll be able to cook an egg on it.

 

OT: YEs you can have CPU bottlenecks, especially in games that are now optimized for multiple cores. You'd be surprised how many things aren't oprimized, plus there are some things that just don't benefit from 4 cores in the first place (not necessarily games). Furthermore if you do anything other than just gaming and lightweight use liek the internet and music, then you want a better CPU. I was suepr glad for my CPU when I had to run and analyze some machine learning algorithms last semester.

P.S. Just an interesting fact. Faster clocked single-core processors ARE better for most programs, however they just happen to be extremely hot. As my architecture professor used to joke, the Pentium 4 had the heat dissipatoin of a nuclear reactor. I would murder people to get my hands on an 8ghz processor.



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Khuutra said:

Slimebeast you have turned this into an Nvidia vs. AMD argument and for that I will destroy you.


Uh oh.