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Mr Khan on 20 May 2011
rocketpig said:
o_O.Q said:

so i'm to gather that yes you do believe amazon can't be hacked? and that some networks are therefore incapable of being hacked? and that the militery's networks are protected to a lesser extent than amazon's? if so well i'll be honest i'd find that to be "fucking lame"

oh and btw when did i ever present any excuses? and what were those excuses presented for? as far as i remember i only made the point that no networks are safe from hacking

Theoretically, every network could be hacked. Most aren't, and for good reason. The people in charge of said networks work hard to make access as difficult as possible.

You claim you're not making excuses for Sony but just read through a few of the threads in this forum. There are dozens spouting that very line as if it magically exempts Sony from being a bunch of slack-ass twats.

Now i'm generally against Sony on this whole deal (NOT because i dislike Sony as a whole like some people are trying to claim), but while Sony takes a degree of blame in this, "they were asking for it," is never a valid reason, much like in instances of general assault or rape.



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NJ5 on 21 May 2011
Mr Khan said:

Now i'm generally against Sony on this whole deal (NOT because i dislike Sony as a whole like some people are trying to claim), but while Sony takes a degree of blame in this, "they were asking for it," is never a valid reason, much like in instances of general assault or rape.


I think "they were asking for it" is quite an appropriate thing to say in some contexts where the victim is able and expected to protect itself, especially when not doing so hurts people other than the victim.

For example... imagine you trust valuable items to a "secure" bank vault, and then one day, the bank starts leaving the door to the vault open and stops having guards in front of the vault. Obviously your stuff gets stolen, and in this case "they were asking for it" seems like a very appropriate thing to say.



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Max King of the Wild on 21 May 2011

that analogy is actually not even close to representing what actually happened though.



thismeintiel on 21 May 2011
badgenome said:

It wasn't Anonymous or PH4N70M, it was B4D63N0M3. Our boys Foxy, Z3US, and Lik took that shit down with a two-toed sloth and BFG-9000. The most egregious part of Sony's (in)security is how all the vulnerabilities were clearly labeled "Hackers, enter here!"

See, I have details! It must be true!

You got it ALL wrong.  People won't be able to believe that unless you post it in horribly written Engrish on a site many haven't even heard of.  Then, and only then, will it be true.



 

Kasz216 on 21 May 2011
darkknightkryta said:

I'd rather wait for the 3rd party forensic teams that Sony hired to give their report (If they ever do)

They won't... I mean... Sony will get the report but noone else is... after that if sony releases ANYTHING it will be bits an pieces just to make their official story sound good.

It's basically how all joke research is done.



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Kasz216 on 21 May 2011
o_O.Q said:

"Theoretically, every network could be hacked" really? then what was the point of posting this :

"Anon FAILED to take down Amazon"

lol btw where did i say that that excuses sony of anything go back find the quote and show me i swear i'll retract it right away

furthermore yes more security could have been added, which may have delayed the hacking, but the end result would have been the same had the hackers been determined enough

"Most aren't, and for good reason" i disagree with the reason you stated whos to say that negligence like sony's isn't more wide spread?


Why would that matter?  Negligence is negligence... and oh man.... the negligence here.

Either way, most companies aren't both negligent and then shouing "Hey come hack me!"

Though I don't think it could be that widespread among such large networks.

I mean, this is just ridiculious all these hacking cases.



Rath on 21 May 2011
Mr Khan said:
rocketpig said:
o_O.Q said:

so i'm to gather that yes you do believe amazon can't be hacked? and that some networks are therefore incapable of being hacked? and that the militery's networks are protected to a lesser extent than amazon's? if so well i'll be honest i'd find that to be "fucking lame"

oh and btw when did i ever present any excuses? and what were those excuses presented for? as far as i remember i only made the point that no networks are safe from hacking

Theoretically, every network could be hacked. Most aren't, and for good reason. The people in charge of said networks work hard to make access as difficult as possible.

You claim you're not making excuses for Sony but just read through a few of the threads in this forum. There are dozens spouting that very line as if it magically exempts Sony from being a bunch of slack-ass twats.

Now i'm generally against Sony on this whole deal (NOT because i dislike Sony as a whole like some people are trying to claim), but while Sony takes a degree of blame in this, "they were asking for it," is never a valid reason, much like in instances of general assault or rape.


This isn't like rape or assault though. This is much more like a bank bragging that their vault is full of valuable stuff but it is impossible to rob. The main victim in both these cases isn't actually the direct victim, but the clients of that victim.



rocketpig on 21 May 2011
Mr Khan said:
rocketpig said:
o_O.Q said:

so i'm to gather that yes you do believe amazon can't be hacked? and that some networks are therefore incapable of being hacked? and that the militery's networks are protected to a lesser extent than amazon's? if so well i'll be honest i'd find that to be "fucking lame"

oh and btw when did i ever present any excuses? and what were those excuses presented for? as far as i remember i only made the point that no networks are safe from hacking

Theoretically, every network could be hacked. Most aren't, and for good reason. The people in charge of said networks work hard to make access as difficult as possible.

You claim you're not making excuses for Sony but just read through a few of the threads in this forum. There are dozens spouting that very line as if it magically exempts Sony from being a bunch of slack-ass twats.

Now i'm generally against Sony on this whole deal (NOT because i dislike Sony as a whole like some people are trying to claim), but while Sony takes a degree of blame in this, "they were asking for it," is never a valid reason, much like in instances of general assault or rape.

If the rapee walked into a room of convicted rapists and pronounced "None of you will ever rape me!" and then was raped, then yeah, he/she had it coming. That's a more apt comparison.




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thismeintiel on 21 May 2011
Rath said:


This isn't like rape or assault though. This is much more like a bank bragging that their vault is full of valuable stuff but it is impossible to rob. The main victim in both these cases isn't actually the direct victim, but the clients of that victim.

I'm sorry, but at what point did Sony ever say, "Hey, our PSN is unhackable, so just try and hack it."  That never happened.  And anyone of these "exaggerators" saying Sony even alluded to such is just nonsense.  And any proof we have that Sony was greatly lacking in security has been nothing more than hearsay on forums.  Which makes people who keep mindlessly repeating, "Sony just left the door open for them" look foolish.



 

Rath on 21 May 2011
thismeintiel said:
Rath said:


This isn't like rape or assault though. This is much more like a bank bragging that their vault is full of valuable stuff but it is impossible to rob. The main victim in both these cases isn't actually the direct victim, but the clients of that victim.

I'm sorry, but at what point did Sony ever say, "Hey, our PSN is unhackable, so just try and hack it."  That never happened.  And anyone of these "exaggerators" saying Sony even alluded to such is just nonsense.  And any proof we have that Sony was greatly lacking in security has been nothing more than hearsay on forums.  Which makes people who keep mindlessly repeating, "Sony just left the door open for them" look foolish.

No but they egged on the hackers in their own way. The entire Geohot saga wasn't really needed.