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spenderzz said:
Teo said:
IMU1808 said:

This company has an ego problem...


If FF1-12 are not masterpeices than every game ever created is a poo puddle.


If FF8 is a masterpiece, I'd rather be a poo puddle.


granted.



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Galvanizer said:
Runa216 said:

Care to explain what's wrong with XII?  

Just ignore him. FF12 is the best 3D FF ever made. FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10 are all not really 3D as you can't move the camera. They are fixed perspective games. The only true 3D games are FF12 and FF13, and we all know which game is better than the other in that contest.

I really hope thet release FF12 International in English on PSN. That would be great.

Yes, we do.

Not FFXII, that's for sure.



outlawauron said:
Galvanizer said:
badgenome said:
Galvanizer said:

Sorry, but without story being a factor, FF12 has the far better gameplay experience. Story doesn't make a game, gameplay does.

Well, that's entirely subjective. I can't say which one I think has the superior gameplay because, as I said, I quit 12 pretty early on. But for what it's worth, I think 13 had a terrible story.

I agree, it is subjective. Each FF game is too different to compare. That's why I'm going solely on the technical proficiency of the gameply systems. Examples:

1) FF13 doesn't even have customizable AI.

Other than this, it's all subjective.

I'll take 'What is Paradigm Shifts'?

Paradigm Shift is the player switching between what the AI can choose out of doing. Medic role will make the AI choose any random command that a Medic can do.

Gambits is the player actually specifically customizing what the AI should do to minute detail. So if an ally health falls below 30% then cast Cure on them.



brendude13 said:
Galvanizer said:
Runa216 said:

Care to explain what's wrong with XII?  

Just ignore him. FF12 is the best 3D FF ever made. FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10 are all not really 3D as you can't move the camera. They are fixed perspective games. The only true 3D games are FF12 and FF13, and we all know which game is better than the other in that contest.

I really hope thet release FF12 International in English on PSN. That would be great.

Yes, we do.

Not FFXII, that's for sure.

LOL! Fan of interactive movies.

I see MGS in your avatar. Did you enjoy fapping to those 40 min cut-scenes in MGS4?



You are so wrong here. You are practically saying that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong despite this being a matter of opinions.



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brendude13 said:
Galvanizer said:
Runa216 said:

Care to explain what's wrong with XII?  

Just ignore him. FF12 is the best 3D FF ever made. FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10 are all not really 3D as you can't move the camera. They are fixed perspective games. The only true 3D games are FF12 and FF13, and we all know which game is better than the other in that contest.

I really hope thet release FF12 International in English on PSN. That would be great.

Yes, we do.

Not FFXII, that's for sure.



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

brendude13 said:
Galvanizer said:
Runa216 said:

Care to explain what's wrong with XII?  

Just ignore him. FF12 is the best 3D FF ever made. FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10 are all not really 3D as you can't move the camera. They are fixed perspective games. The only true 3D games are FF12 and FF13, and we all know which game is better than the other in that contest.

I really hope thet release FF12 International in English on PSN. That would be great.

Yes, we do.

Not FFXII, that's for sure.

Agreed.

FF12 is an excellent RPG from a objective point of view, maybe even the best FF in those terms.

But its the subjective parts of a game that is the key. When you love the characters, music, art style, story and so on you see magic created on screen, I got this magic in FF4,6,7,8,9,10,13....unfortunately not in FF12 though as it just didn't deliver to me on the characters, music, story (well on this FF8 was the last FF where I felt I truly experienced an excellent epic story..*inb4 ff8 stoary suxorz ppl*) and at times the combat. Thats all there is to it really, and 4 years after playing it no-ones changing that experience I had.

Its some little things that make me even love a game more, like how in chapter 1 in FF13 when you leave the character idle and see Lightnings face with the camera her expression is stern, angry and serious. In Chapter 11 however (and onwards) as you see leave the characters idle and see Lightnings face its become much more calmer now and sometimes you even get the hints of a smile, these moments combined with the music and general art design truly creates magic....and realising you are becoming happy due to a character seeming happy makes you realize how attached you have become. When you cherish these little little things in games (or movies for that matter) you see the soul of the product and you become attached to it. This all comes through subjectivity for me at least.

So Objectivity is very important, and FF12 is almost perfect there, I really want the team to make FF15. But its the subjectivity of a game that can make me say a game is good to saying I love the game....its subjectivty that can make you see the soul of a game, it can make magic come on screen (or whatever phrase you want to use to describe this feeling I am sure many have had)....and many subjective categories like story, music, characters etc is bound to cause difference in opinions. And this is why you won't have people accepting anything is better than something they love purely for objective reasons, as we're humans, we can't just be objective.



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

Galvanizer said:
brendude13 said:
Galvanizer said:
Runa216 said:

Care to explain what's wrong with XII?  

Just ignore him. FF12 is the best 3D FF ever made. FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10 are all not really 3D as you can't move the camera. They are fixed perspective games. The only true 3D games are FF12 and FF13, and we all know which game is better than the other in that contest.

I really hope thet release FF12 International in English on PSN. That would be great.

Yes, we do.

Not FFXII, that's for sure.

LOL! Fan of interactive movies.

I see MGS in your avatar. Did you enjoy fapping to those 40 min cut-scenes in MGS4?

Yes I enjoyed fapping to one of the best game of all time unfold as it told one of the greatest stories in gaming.

Not to mention how fun it was when the cut scenes weren't going, MGS4 surprised me with how much I enjoyed the gameplay sections.



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Galvanizer said:
Kemsus said:

as long as they leave out FFX-2 and FFXII, and any of that western developed stuff they own, i am perfectly happy with what they could release.


Sucks to be you.

I'd buy a localized FF12 International on the first day it's on PSN.


well i wont bash your opinions about the game FFXII, to me it was just one of the worst gaming experiences of my life.

i can acknowledge that a lot of thought was put into the game and that it has immense production value, it just wasn't my kind of game, i much preferred FFIV-FFX.



Kemsus said:
Galvanizer said:
Kemsus said:

as long as they leave out FFX-2 and FFXII, and any of that western developed stuff they own, i am perfectly happy with what they could release.


Sucks to be you.

I'd buy a localized FF12 International on the first day it's on PSN.


well i wont bash your opinions about the game FFXII, to me it was just one of the worst gaming experiences of my life.

i can acknowledge that a lot of thought was put into the game and that it has immense production value, it just wasn't my kind of game, i much preferred FFIV-FFX.

I respect your opinion. If more people were like you then forums would be a better place.

Glad you saw the value in game even though you don't like it. It's like me hating Hip-Hop music, but I can still see the value in the music and why some people highly regard it.