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Kasz216 on 13 May 2011
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
Does this stuff happen?

I can think of gaming servers being down for like... a weekend... or people having trouble for like a week because of congestion of trafic.

I can't recall an online service being down... 3 weeks ever though.

I suppose that has to do more with the stupid design of online consoles though.  Hence why PC users get upset when games don't have dedicated servers.

Excess control like this, leads to excess problems.

On PC is "Game X's official servers are down".

People would just play on unofficial servers.

Dedicated services for tons of games have been down this long sure nothing this large scale but there's only two services and they haven't been going long and like you pointed out they've both been down for a few days before, and no1 ever tried to hack live atleast not on the scale that psn was attacked besides I was talking more about stuff happening in life, things happen people screw up or don't do something as well as they should of then you can complain bitch whine demand stuff but in the end nothing changes the person fixes the mistake and makes it up to you, and all that whinning you did just annoyed everyone and made you look foolish 

among all this media chaos and blame people forget Sony is dealing with the problem 

Which games? 

Also... you know... the whining is more or less how said company knows what WILL make it up to you.

They already stated everything they are doing which frankly is alot more then they need to, MS knowingly released extremely faulty hardware lied about it for like a year, and then just repaired consoles that fell under the most common symptom for 3 years since purchase and thats it and they got away with it

That seemed... very off topic and defensive.

I suppose it was needed since you had no examples ready off hand.

Also, no... people gave Microsoft shit... and people still do give Microsoft shit over RROD.  They didn't get over it.  Many people bought PS3s after it happened.

Though for a comparison to illustrate my point... if Steam were to go down.  I could start up steam in Offline mode... and still connect to any online game i want.



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awesomeX10 on 13 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
Does this stuff happen?

I can think of gaming servers being down for like... a weekend... or people having trouble for like a week because of congestion of trafic.

I can't recall an online service being down... 3 weeks ever though.

I suppose that has to do more with the stupid design of online consoles though.  Hence why PC users get upset when games don't have dedicated servers.

Excess control like this, leads to excess problems.

On PC is "Game X's official servers are down".

People would just play on unofficial servers.

Dedicated services for tons of games have been down this long sure nothing this large scale but there's only two services and they haven't been going long and like you pointed out they've both been down for a few days before, and no1 ever tried to hack live atleast not on the scale that psn was attacked besides I was talking more about stuff happening in life, things happen people screw up or don't do something as well as they should of then you can complain bitch whine demand stuff but in the end nothing changes the person fixes the mistake and makes it up to you, and all that whinning you did just annoyed everyone and made you look foolish 

among all this media chaos and blame people forget Sony is dealing with the problem 

Which games? 

Also... you know... the whining is more or less how said company knows what WILL make it up to you.

They already stated everything they are doing which frankly is alot more then they need to, MS knowingly released extremely faulty hardware lied about it for like a year, and then just repaired consoles that fell under the most common symptom for 3 years since purchase and thats it and they got away with it

That seemed... very off topic and defensive.

I suppose it was needed since you had no examples ready off hand.

Also, no... people gave Microsoft shit... and people still do give Microsoft shit over RROD.  They didn't get over it.  Many people bought PS3s after it happened.

Though for a comparison to illustrate my point... if Steam were to go down.  I could start up steam in Offline mode... and still connect to any online game i want.

Steam doesn't run the games it just sells them to you, and again Sony is dealing with the problem so it won't happen again and is going to compensate everyone and give a few goodies on top of that, what else do you want? 



Kasz216 on 13 May 2011
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
Does this stuff happen?

I can think of gaming servers being down for like... a weekend... or people having trouble for like a week because of congestion of trafic.

I can't recall an online service being down... 3 weeks ever though.

I suppose that has to do more with the stupid design of online consoles though.  Hence why PC users get upset when games don't have dedicated servers.

Excess control like this, leads to excess problems.

On PC is "Game X's official servers are down".

People would just play on unofficial servers.

Dedicated services for tons of games have been down this long sure nothing this large scale but there's only two services and they haven't been going long and like you pointed out they've both been down for a few days before, and no1 ever tried to hack live atleast not on the scale that psn was attacked besides I was talking more about stuff happening in life, things happen people screw up or don't do something as well as they should of then you can complain bitch whine demand stuff but in the end nothing changes the person fixes the mistake and makes it up to you, and all that whinning you did just annoyed everyone and made you look foolish 

among all this media chaos and blame people forget Sony is dealing with the problem 

Which games? 

Also... you know... the whining is more or less how said company knows what WILL make it up to you.

They already stated everything they are doing which frankly is alot more then they need to, MS knowingly released extremely faulty hardware lied about it for like a year, and then just repaired consoles that fell under the most common symptom for 3 years since purchase and thats it and they got away with it

That seemed... very off topic and defensive.

I suppose it was needed since you had no examples ready off hand.

Also, no... people gave Microsoft shit... and people still do give Microsoft shit over RROD.  They didn't get over it.  Many people bought PS3s after it happened.

Though for a comparison to illustrate my point... if Steam were to go down.  I could start up steam in Offline mode... and still connect to any online game i want.

Steam doesn't run the games it just sells them to you, and again Sony is dealing with the problem so it won't happen again and is going to compensate everyone and give a few goodies on top of that, what else do you want? 

Me?  Nothing.

Other people?   A company that wasn't so cavalier about personal information in the first place.

There are people who actually care about the principal of the matter and don't want to give anymore of their company that showed such disrespect for someones personal info.

It's much how many people wouldn't wear a Michael Vick jersey if you gave them one for free.

You can "make up" for the problems... but

A) It doesn't change the fact that you let it happen in the first place.

B) The only thing that proves that you've changed is time, and people are fully within their rights to be skeptical until you prove it.

 

You'd have a point if it was 5 years from now or so... as of yet, your arguement is very premature... as you are argueing change, before change has even happened.

 

Though yeah.  You got my point.  PSN and Xbox Live should operate like steam.  Rather then trying to be monolithic overly controlling beasts that do nothing but harm the consumer...  I mean, compare something like PSN with Steam... what is the big benefits you get from PSN that you don't have with Steam?


What can't be done on Steam that can be done on PSN or Xbox Live? 

I mean, look at why Games For Windows Live crashed and burned.



awesomeX10 on 13 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
Me?  Nothing.

Other people?   A company that wasn't so cavalier about personal information in the first place.

There are people who actually care about the principal of the matter and don't want to give anymore of their company that showed such disrespect for someones personal info.

It's much how many people wouldn't wear a Michael Vick jersey if you gave them one for free.

You can "make up" for the problems... but

A) It doesn't change the fact that you let it happen in the first place.

B) The only thing that proves that you've changed is time, and people are fully within their rights to be skeptical until you prove it.

 

You'd have a point if it was 5 years from now or so... as of yet, your arguement is very premature... as you are argueing change, before change has even happened.

People who have a problem with letting it happen in the first place probably have their information in alot more vunerable places like I said these things happen, credit card companies have gotten hacked ffs and the fact that MS updated their security after psn got hacked pretty much proved they weren't up to snuff either, it sucks but thats the world we live in, it's not about not falling it's about getting back up and my point might be a little premature, trust me if Sony gets hacked after the 3 weeks of being down I'll be the first one in line calling them incompetent idiots but they rebuilt their servers and are delaying getting psn back to improve secruity so changes have happen we just haven't gotten acess to them yet  



Kasz216 on 13 May 2011
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
Me?  Nothing.

Other people?   A company that wasn't so cavalier about personal information in the first place.

There are people who actually care about the principal of the matter and don't want to give anymore of their company that showed such disrespect for someones personal info.

It's much how many people wouldn't wear a Michael Vick jersey if you gave them one for free.

You can "make up" for the problems... but

A) It doesn't change the fact that you let it happen in the first place.

B) The only thing that proves that you've changed is time, and people are fully within their rights to be skeptical until you prove it.

 

You'd have a point if it was 5 years from now or so... as of yet, your arguement is very premature... as you are argueing change, before change has even happened.

People who have a problem with letting it happen in the first place probably have their information in alot more vunerable places like I said these things happen, credit card companies have gotten hacked ffs and the fact that MS updated their security after psn got hacked pretty much proved they weren't up to snuff either, it sucks but thats the world we live in, it's not about not falling it's about getting back up and my point might be a little premature, trust me if Sony gets hacked after the 3 weeks of being down I'll be the first one in line calling them incompetent idiots but they rebuilt their servers and are delaying getting psn back to improve secruity so changes have happen we just haven't gotten acess to them yet 

Except... changes in security aren't the big issue are they.  It's chagnes in corporate culture that matter.

 

And again... I bring up steam... the ony difference between Steam and PS3/Xbox live is that PS3/Xbox live act as an unneeded gateway.



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Pokemanic on 13 May 2011

lol @ noobs downgrading



awesomeX10 on 13 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
Me?  Nothing.

Other people?   A company that wasn't so cavalier about personal information in the first place.

There are people who actually care about the principal of the matter and don't want to give anymore of their company that showed such disrespect for someones personal info.

It's much how many people wouldn't wear a Michael Vick jersey if you gave them one for free.

You can "make up" for the problems... but

A) It doesn't change the fact that you let it happen in the first place.

B) The only thing that proves that you've changed is time, and people are fully within their rights to be skeptical until you prove it.

 

You'd have a point if it was 5 years from now or so... as of yet, your arguement is very premature... as you are argueing change, before change has even happened.

People who have a problem with letting it happen in the first place probably have their information in alot more vunerable places like I said these things happen, credit card companies have gotten hacked ffs and the fact that MS updated their security after psn got hacked pretty much proved they weren't up to snuff either, it sucks but thats the world we live in, it's not about not falling it's about getting back up and my point might be a little premature, trust me if Sony gets hacked after the 3 weeks of being down I'll be the first one in line calling them incompetent idiots but they rebuilt their servers and are delaying getting psn back to improve secruity so changes have happen we just haven't gotten acess to them yet 

Except... changes in security aren't the big issue are they.  It's chagnes in corporate culture that matter.

 

And again... I bring up steam... the ony difference between Steam and PS3/Xbox live is that PS3/Xbox live act as an unneeded gateway.

Actually Steam is the unneeded gateway psn/live are the servers for the games and the store, though in retrospect keeping the store and the games servers seperate would be a good idea, but I'm sure they had their reasons why they did it the otherway before like you pointed out nothing like this has happened to a network like psn before despite most of them having outdated security so it probably wasn't a concern when setting it up, and Sony rebuilt the network so I have to assume that they've done more then just upgrade their existing secruity measures though I'm not even qualified to speculate what 



Kasz216 on 13 May 2011
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
Me?  Nothing.

Other people?   A company that wasn't so cavalier about personal information in the first place.

There are people who actually care about the principal of the matter and don't want to give anymore of their company that showed such disrespect for someones personal info.

It's much how many people wouldn't wear a Michael Vick jersey if you gave them one for free.

You can "make up" for the problems... but

A) It doesn't change the fact that you let it happen in the first place.

B) The only thing that proves that you've changed is time, and people are fully within their rights to be skeptical until you prove it.

 

You'd have a point if it was 5 years from now or so... as of yet, your arguement is very premature... as you are argueing change, before change has even happened.

People who have a problem with letting it happen in the first place probably have their information in alot more vunerable places like I said these things happen, credit card companies have gotten hacked ffs and the fact that MS updated their security after psn got hacked pretty much proved they weren't up to snuff either, it sucks but thats the world we live in, it's not about not falling it's about getting back up and my point might be a little premature, trust me if Sony gets hacked after the 3 weeks of being down I'll be the first one in line calling them incompetent idiots but they rebuilt their servers and are delaying getting psn back to improve secruity so changes have happen we just haven't gotten acess to them yet 

Except... changes in security aren't the big issue are they.  It's chagnes in corporate culture that matter.

 

And again... I bring up steam... the ony difference between Steam and PS3/Xbox live is that PS3/Xbox live act as an unneeded gateway.

Actually Steam is the unneeded gateway psn/live are the servers for the games and the store, though in retrospect keeping the store and the games servers seperate would be a good idea, but I'm sure they had their reasons why they did it the otherway before like you pointed out nothing like this has happened to a network like psn before despite most of them having outdated security so it probably wasn't a concern when setting it up, and Sony rebuilt the network so I have to assume that they've done more then just upgrade their existing secruity measures though I'm not even qualified to speculate what 

They aren't though... most PSN/Xbox live games are Peer to Peer.

The servers are only used to connect people to games... which is completely unneeded.

Really it's the same with the non peer to peer games I believe... as far as I know, the companies still host the games servers.

Like EA.  Their games are run on EA servers.



Galaki on 13 May 2011

Am I in the wrong thread/forum? Why are Sony fanboys celebrating people selling their PS3's?



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awesomeX10 on 13 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
Me?  Nothing.

Other people?   A company that wasn't so cavalier about personal information in the first place.

There are people who actually care about the principal of the matter and don't want to give anymore of their company that showed such disrespect for someones personal info.

It's much how many people wouldn't wear a Michael Vick jersey if you gave them one for free.

You can "make up" for the problems... but

A) It doesn't change the fact that you let it happen in the first place.

B) The only thing that proves that you've changed is time, and people are fully within their rights to be skeptical until you prove it.

 

You'd have a point if it was 5 years from now or so... as of yet, your arguement is very premature... as you are argueing change, before change has even happened.

People who have a problem with letting it happen in the first place probably have their information in alot more vunerable places like I said these things happen, credit card companies have gotten hacked ffs and the fact that MS updated their security after psn got hacked pretty much proved they weren't up to snuff either, it sucks but thats the world we live in, it's not about not falling it's about getting back up and my point might be a little premature, trust me if Sony gets hacked after the 3 weeks of being down I'll be the first one in line calling them incompetent idiots but they rebuilt their servers and are delaying getting psn back to improve secruity so changes have happen we just haven't gotten acess to them yet 

Except... changes in security aren't the big issue are they.  It's chagnes in corporate culture that matter.

 

And again... I bring up steam... the ony difference between Steam and PS3/Xbox live is that PS3/Xbox live act as an unneeded gateway.

Actually Steam is the unneeded gateway psn/live are the servers for the games and the store, though in retrospect keeping the store and the games servers seperate would be a good idea, but I'm sure they had their reasons why they did it the otherway before like you pointed out nothing like this has happened to a network like psn before despite most of them having outdated security so it probably wasn't a concern when setting it up, and Sony rebuilt the network so I have to assume that they've done more then just upgrade their existing secruity measures though I'm not even qualified to speculate what 

They aren't though... most PSN/Xbox live games are Peer to Peer.

The servers are only used to connect people to games... which is completely unneeded.

Without psn/live you'd need to type in someones IP to connect to their game...