Come now, we all know politicans are great actors that make the dimwitted believe they are all for one thing or the other, but in the end, they are only out for themselves and all the same. The only reason they are doing the oil thing is because this country is close to bankruptcy and in order to save their jobs they need to cut where the budget hurts the most. And 45 billion a year in subsidies does hurt.

The politicans that really would make a difference wont get elected till the country itself falls flat on its face.

If the law is legitimately that bad and violates that many rights, it won't take long for a court to place an injunction until a trial can be heard on it.

I agree with your idea, although there's something really important missing there. Where's the names of the USA presidents in the list of people that should have been killed when chance was there?

How is Bush any different than Osama when we talk about massacring innocents? Both violated international law, both declared war "in the name of". How is the invasion of Iraq for example any different than the invasion of Poland by the Soviets and Nazis in 1939? It's all with an ulterior purpose. Hitler's was to have a direct route tto attack the USSR by land. Bush's motives? I mean, sorry if I got a bit off topic, but when USA got attacked on 9/11, they used that pretext to start invading and destroying countries. Much like Vietnam. I mean, history repeats itself, those with a lot of power rely on the ignorance of the masses to deceive them and do whatever the heck they want. And yes, there's very few people in the world who know the truth about things, some of them known leaders, some of them in the dark. The USA broke the international law, the mediums don't justify the ends. I wonder how international community would have reacted if for instance Mexico bombed a residential area in the USA because one of the drug cartel leaders was hiding there. People need to place themselves in the skin of others to really understand the implications of such acts.

Sorry about the rant, I didn't quote you because of your post, but because your post gave me the chance of expanding on my idea.

The Iraq War was and is incredibly unpopular, that's a key difference. There was opposition to it and ultimately, it cost the Republicans the Presidency in this country. And while there were ulterior motives to the Iraq War (just like any war), comparing it to Hitler's invasion of Russia is folly. The ultimate goal of Hitler (and other dictators) is complete domination on a global scale.

When the US is in the midst of handing Iraq back to the Iraqi people (something they haven't had since before the Brits invaded, if ever), that comparison completely falls apart. There are plenty of reasons to complain about US international policy under Bush but let's not go off the deep end here. Bush did a lot of fucked up things but nothing that made the world stop and say "that dude needs to be shot, he's only here to be a global menace". Plus, the US is a democracy. Everyone knew he'd be gone soon enough.

@Bolded: Who said that was his goal? His goal was to expand on the East, to attack Russia because communism was a big threat to Germany and Marx himself wrote that the first 2 countries that should fall victim to communism were Germany and Russia, in that order, but German people had a much greater sense of nationalism and a smaller difference between classes, which made communism very difficult to establish and so they went for Russia were the Zaristic regimes was at an all time low.

Then at the wake of WWII, the allied forces declared war on Germany. I still wonder why France and Britain didn't stand apart and let the 2 dictators destroy each other. There's where the ulterior motives come into play.


As for the rest of the post, invading Iraq made zero sense from any point of view. It should have never happened and it's taken really long to give the Iraqis control back and demilitarize the country of foreign forces. Oh and WW2 was also incredibly unpopular before Pearl Harbor, and so was a middleaste war before 9/11. I mean, the USA always find the excuse to enter a war, why is the entire world trying to provoke them?