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o_O.Q said:

what was the scale of the eharmony hack? i don't remember seing it posted or the rsa? furthermore the pirate bay hack as far as i remember from reading also gave up info like ip addresses

Eharmony sister site was hacked... Eharmony Advice.. a total of 0.05% of their 33million members where effected. cause they separated their databases.. their passwords were hashed and data was encrypted but they still adviced the affected members to change passwords...

and well... who in his right mind would use their real info for the piratebay.. >_>



 

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fordy said:
the_wizard_man said:
fordy said:
the_wizard_man said:
fordy said:
What about the people who don't use facebook for that very reason?

People CHOOSE to release info on facebook. Sony shouldn't have that choice for them.

So are you suggesting someone hacked Sony to get a single specific persons info thats riddicules 


No, what I am suggesting is that hackers got information from uers that they could otherwise not get from anywhere else. What right does Sony have to alow this to happen?

What right does a girl have to let someone rape her


So you want Sony to face the full force of the law? Yes, you're right! Glad we're on the same page.

Not really I think if people aren't happy with Sony's secrurity everyone who doesn't have better secruity should be forced to change or them to take similar action as they are agaisnt Sony (boycott ect.) but the only thing people are doing is complaining about Sony about something that hundreds of companies that they are involved with do, if people don't think Sony's level of secruity is unacceptable, why are they accepting it 100 times with other companies?



the_wizard_man said:
fordy said:
the_wizard_man said:
fordy said:
the_wizard_man said:
fordy said:
What about the people who don't use facebook for that very reason?

People CHOOSE to release info on facebook. Sony shouldn't have that choice for them.

So are you suggesting someone hacked Sony to get a single specific persons info thats riddicules 


No, what I am suggesting is that hackers got information from uers that they could otherwise not get from anywhere else. What right does Sony have to alow this to happen?

What right does a girl have to let someone rape her


So you want Sony to face the full force of the law? Yes, you're right! Glad we're on the same page.

Not really I think if people aren't happy with Sony's secrurity everyone who doesn't have better secruity should be forced to change or them to take similar action as they are agaisnt Sony (boycott ect.) but the only thing people are doing is complaining about Sony about something that hundreds of companies that they are involved with do, if people don't think Sony's level of secruity is acceptable, why are they accepting it 100 times with other companies?

I'm going to take the advice of an earlier post and not feed the troll any longer. Unless you can provide evidence that other companies are doing the same thing as Sony, I refuse to answer any more.



evolution_1ne said:
Tony_Stark said:
dsister said:
Tony_Stark said:

No, no they clearly did not, PSN was hacked through a modded PS# something Sony didn't believe was possible, they didn't even take proper security measures to guard against it. So seriously, stop trying to defend this.


@bolded

Really? Link!  O.o 


Correction, Judging from what I've read here, that was probably speculation. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2384369,00.asp

Doesn't matter though, Sony's network security clearly wasn't up to par.

translation: what i've said was complete bullshit, made up by some dumbass to spread FUD, but I want to stay in my ignorant bubble becasue it's fun


Wow, a very mature resoponse, I should have expected as much for your kind. Seriously though, I did read it on some tech blog somewhere, but judging from the link I provided above, it must have been speculation. At least I'm not some fanboy moron who can't admit when he's wrong. Now, just because you live in an "ignorant bubble" doesn't mean everybody else does, please remember that for future referance. ; )

 

EDIT: I should have clarified, I was not using this statement to call evolution a fanboy, I was merely stating that I was not a "fanboy moron" because I had the brains, and the scruples to admit when I am wrong. My apologies to Evolution in the event he took this statement the way many seem to have.



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fordy said:
the_wizard_man said:
fordy said:
the_wizard_man said:
fordy said:
the_wizard_man said:
fordy said:
What about the people who don't use facebook for that very reason?

People CHOOSE to release info on facebook. Sony shouldn't have that choice for them.

So are you suggesting someone hacked Sony to get a single specific persons info thats riddicules 


No, what I am suggesting is that hackers got information from uers that they could otherwise not get from anywhere else. What right does Sony have to alow this to happen?

What right does a girl have to let someone rape her


So you want Sony to face the full force of the law? Yes, you're right! Glad we're on the same page.

Not really I think if people aren't happy with Sony's secrurity everyone who doesn't have better secruity should be forced to change or them to take similar action as they are agaisnt Sony (boycott ect.) but the only thing people are doing is complaining about Sony about something that hundreds of companies that they are involved with do, if people don't think Sony's level of secruity is acceptable, why are they accepting it 100 times with other companies?

I'm going to take the advice of an earlier post and not feed the troll any longer. Unless you can provide evidence that other companies are doing the same thing as Sony, I refuse to answer any more.

Yeah... if people are wondering why people are being hard on Sony and not "X-Financial company"

I'd think they weren't really thinking... since it's pretty obvious

It's a videogame site.

That means

1)  Bashing a random Financial company would be off topic.

2) People here are more likely to know about video game companies then financial companies

3) People are more likely to be effected by such.

 

Not to mention... no... most companies aren't THAT negligent or there would be WAY more events like this.



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fordy said:
the_wizard_man said:
fordy said:
the_wizard_man said:
fordy said:
the_wizard_man said:
fordy said:
What about the people who don't use facebook for that very reason?

People CHOOSE to release info on facebook. Sony shouldn't have that choice for them.

So are you suggesting someone hacked Sony to get a single specific persons info thats riddicules 


No, what I am suggesting is that hackers got information from uers that they could otherwise not get from anywhere else. What right does Sony have to alow this to happen?

What right does a girl have to let someone rape her


So you want Sony to face the full force of the law? Yes, you're right! Glad we're on the same page.

Not really I think if people aren't happy with Sony's secrurity everyone who doesn't have better secruity should be forced to change or them to take similar action as they are agaisnt Sony (boycott ect.) but the only thing people are doing is complaining about Sony about something that hundreds of companies that they are involved with do, if people don't think Sony's level of secruity is acceptable, why are they accepting it 100 times with other companies?

I'm going to take the advice of an earlier post and not feed the troll any longer. Unless you can provide evidence that other companies are doing the same thing as Sony, I refuse to answer any more.

No evidence would be enough for you, because you really don't care, you are the troll you don't care if companies are secure or not you just want to be like everyone else and complain about what the media is talking about 



o_O.Q said:

@reviniente

"No. They're being accused of not sufficiently protecting their customer's private information and not informing them promptly."

what have i ever said that contradicts this?

all i've ever commented on was that people are foolishly making assumptions that data leaks are rare in the context of networks like sony nothing m ore nothing less you're like the third person who's tried to put words in my mouth figuratively

i've always agreed that sony should have taken better care in updating their network and that they were negligent for that... however in terms of the time they released the info as far as i know they brought in external parties to investigate the situation and as a result they were not sure right away about what happened and only had conclusive evidence at the time they made the report... but the argument can be made that if there was a possibility of data loss they should still have at least released a statement on that ( in terms of this im not really sure suppose no loss had occured and people were inconvenienced because of assuptions made in terms of making changes that didn't need to be made )

Very well then.



I found a lot of erroneous assumptions, and massive generalizations in this thread. Firstly leaks and hacks are not actually the same thing. Poor design philosophy is neither of those either. A hack is an attentional act to obtain information that a host does not want accessed, and is actively denying. A leak is a release of information that should not be viewed by the public. This can be both intentional or unintentional. A poor design philosophy say a device that collects, and retains some information that could harm a user if if fell into the wrong hands. All these things are different, and you cannot substitute one for another.

Secondly rarity is only valid in comparison to a bulk. You cannot simply cite examples as a proof of commonality. That logic only would apply to disproving an anomaly. To prove rarity you need to divide the number of incidents by the number of sites. In this case I would say hacks are rare, hacks that obtain personal information are rarer, and hacks that access what are truly massive databases are excedingly rare. So yes this was a very rare event, and the scale of breach is noteworthy. The scale of the breach is also grounds for real concern and consternation. Sony in its breach allowed access to data that might take hundreds or thousands of smaller attacks to obtain. All of which would never have happened simultaneously. This is going to cost a lot of money for Sony, consumers, financial institutions, and governments. To put it plainly Sony just cost you money whether you are a direct victim. Your tax money is going to have to pay for this.

Thirdly everyone doing something is neither a justification or a excuse. That is not a opinion either. That is the law. You are responsible for your own conduct. What anyone else does is irrelevant. Whether anyone else gets caught is also very much irrelevant. Sony gambled with security, and they got caught. They probably aren't even sorry for what they did. They are just sorry they got caught. They shorted on security, and they got ransacked. The difference between Sony and the other offenders is that Sony had a lot more to be sorry about. Big targets are inviting targets. They are just plain guilty as charged. There is no excuse for their part in this fiasco. So do not make excuses for them.

What I find ironic in all this hand wringing with the security breach is that nobody seems to understand how incredibly lucky both Sony and their customers were. The system was breached by what appears to be theives. Imagine if it were the cyber equivalent of arsonists. Imagine if they had placed malicious code into a system patch. The PS3 today could be labeled the Chernobyl of home electronics. Imagine millions of consoles locking up in the coarse of a day. Had these hackers been concerned with something else, or perhaps a little more skilled upon getting inside they might have just plain killed the console. Just consider that before you excuse Sony. Would you be doing that if the Hacks damage was a little less then theoretical. Would you feel this way instead of some stolen data you might have a brick that could take months to replace?



Dodece said:

Very good and relevant points made here :)



Dodece said:

I found a lot of erroneous assumptions, and massive generalizations in this thread. Firstly leaks and hacks are not actually the same thing. Poor design philosophy is neither of those either. A hack is an attentional act to obtain information that a host does not want accessed, and is actively denying. A leak is a release of information that should not be viewed by the public. This can be both intentional or unintentional. A poor design philosophy say a device that collects, and retains some information that could harm a user if if fell into the wrong hands. All these things are different, and you cannot substitute one for another.

Secondly rarity is only valid in comparison to a bulk. You cannot simply cite examples as a proof of commonality. That logic only would apply to disproving an anomaly. To prove rarity you need to divide the number of incidents by the number of sites. In this case I would say hacks are rare, hacks that obtain personal information are rarer, and hacks that access what are truly massive databases are excedingly rare. So yes this was a very rare event, and the scale of breach is noteworthy. The scale of the breach is also grounds for real concern and consternation. Sony in its breach allowed access to data that might take hundreds or thousands of smaller attacks to obtain. All of which would never have happened simultaneously. This is going to cost a lot of money for Sony, consumers, financial institutions, and governments. To put it plainly Sony just cost you money whether you are a direct victim. Your tax money is going to have to pay for this.

Thirdly everyone doing something is neither a justification or a excuse. That is not a opinion either. That is the law. You are responsible for your own conduct. What anyone else does is irrelevant. Whether anyone else gets caught is also very much irrelevant. Sony gambled with security, and they got caught. They probably aren't even sorry for what they did. They are just sorry they got caught. They shorted on security, and they got ransacked. The difference between Sony and the other offenders is that Sony had a lot more to be sorry about. Big targets are inviting targets. They are just plain guilty as charged. There is no excuse for their part in this fiasco. So do not make excuses for them.

What I find ironic in all this hand wringing with the security breach is that nobody seems to understand how incredibly lucky both Sony and their customers were. The system was breached by what appears to be theives. Imagine if it were the cyber equivalent of arsonists. Imagine if they had placed malicious code into a system patch. The PS3 today could be labeled the Chernobyl of home electronics. Imagine millions of consoles locking up in the coarse of a day. Had these hackers been concerned with something else, or perhaps a little more skilled upon getting inside they might have just plain killed the console. Just consider that before you excuse Sony. Would you be doing that if the Hacks damage was a little less then theoretical. Would you feel this way instead of some stolen data you might have a brick that could take months to replace?

so, having personal info such as credit card numbers comprimized, is nowhere near as bad as simply having your console bricked by a virus? Call me crazy, but please, brick my console and leave my personal info alone.



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