Yeah but when someone falls off a building they aren't in a fiery explosion at temperatures capable of destroying metal, or so the story goes, conspiracy, maybe not, but there is a shadow of doubt

regardless of who brought down the the tower we as americans aer ful of shite, we invade one country to get a man out of power that is was guilty of doing things like this, then we go and do them--that is worthless--i am embarased to be american some times

In fact, about 10 seconds of Internet research reveals dozens if not hundreds of eyewitnesses:

“I was going past the Pentagon, really inching a yard or so every couple of minutes. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden I heard the roar of a jet engine.

“I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn’t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment."

Or are they all part of the conspiracy too? 

QFE 

^now if you excuse me i have to get ready for the secret police to kick in my door and "legally " kidnap me and my family

Final-Fan: you might as well give it up. Some people have decided against all evidence that it was a conspiracy (government or otherwise) and they just aren't going to have their minds changed, ever. It really does not matter what you say or what evidence you produce. All the sane ones have accepted the truth already and would not be arguing at this point.

I, THE GREAT MASTER WONG, RULER OF THE UNIVERSE, THRUST THINE BLADE OF FURIOUS SMITING WRATH, INTO THINE EYE OF GALAKI, INSTANTLY ABSORBING YOUR PUNY LIFE. I LEAN FORWARD, AND I FEEL THE TWANG OF MY BLADE EDGING ON THE BACK OF YOUR SKULL.

FEEL THE PAIN, SINFUL WOMAN!

Ok I'm going to ignore all the conspiracy theory nonsense about the U.S. Government being involved in 9/11.

There is a problem though in not allowing defendants and their lawyers to reasonably defend themselves and especially when it comes to not being allowed to talk about their interrogations. I mean if you were on a jury in a regular trial for example and found out the cops gained a confession by depriving the person of sleep for days, strapping them into a chair and pretending they were going to electrocute them, dunking their head in water for days on end, keeping them in positions for hours that cause excruciating pain, using drugs that make them hallucinate and experience fear at levels most people couldn't comprehend, don't you think that would make the confessions at least a little untrustworthy?

Most people will break under torture but the problem is that they are willing to confess to anything and can be easily lead in their confession to say whatever those interrogating them want that person to say.  Also since they're being tortured it's likely that those doing it believe that the person is guilty and will not accept pleas of innocence so it continues until they get the guilty plea they're looking for or some other evidence is found to exonerate the person.

I guess for some and their twisted logic it's ok to torture because for the guilty people you find out the information you need but for those that are guilty of lesser crimes or no crimes at all, well to some people those are just casualties of war, but that doesn't make it right or acceptable. It's especially not acceptable after the fact like now where these same people are being sentenced to life in prison or death based on the confessions.

That's the best post I've ever heard from Legend11.

A few years ago I would have told you that I'd be quite happy to visit the US, nowadays I'm not so sure.