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Beuli2 said:
vlad321 said:
Beuli2 said:
vlad321 said:
The_vagabond7 said:

Honestly, I think he should've been brought back alive and made to face trial and sentenced. Ideally anyway, I certainly won't condemn the brave soldiers for doing what they did. I just don't think descending into barbarism is the way to go about showing the world how advanced of a culture we can and should be. It's a difficult dichotomy, weeding out evil without becoming the sort of thing you're fighting against. But ultimately if we got the bad guys, but we did so by means of torture, illegal imprisonment, and killing innocent people, did we really reduce the net evil in the world, or did we just transfer it to ourselves in the name of retribution, and then called it justice? Dancing over the death of our enemies never serves as a good example to anyone. Food for thought.


Each action has two parts to it, intent and consequences. In this case you are saying that the consequences of what we did are the same, murder. However, the intent is completely different and therefore the actions are very much different.

How so? Both the soldiers and him fought and killed for what they defended. The thing is, the soldiers are seen as the "good guys", while Osama is, according to us, just an heartless evil bastard. Their intent was the same: kill the other for "justice", whatever you think it is.

He killed civilians, and his purpose was to kill civilians. The goal of the soldiers wasn't to kill civilians, but a retaliation to the murder of civilians. One is the action, the other is the reaction. If you can't see the difference, then there is nothing more for us to talk about.

I didn't want to talk to you anyway. Not that I can't counter-reply your reply and shatter all your dreams and illusions you have been living since you were 15.

You are welcome to try because I would love to hear your naive, innocent, idealistic, views on the world and be entertained.



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This just in: AMERICAN MILITARY HAS KILLED CIVILIANS AND EVEN EACH OTHER ON OCCASION.



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Beuli2 said:
vlad321 said:
Beuli2 said:
vlad321 said:
The_vagabond7 said:

Honestly, I think he should've been brought back alive and made to face trial and sentenced. Ideally anyway, I certainly won't condemn the brave soldiers for doing what they did. I just don't think descending into barbarism is the way to go about showing the world how advanced of a culture we can and should be. It's a difficult dichotomy, weeding out evil without becoming the sort of thing you're fighting against. But ultimately if we got the bad guys, but we did so by means of torture, illegal imprisonment, and killing innocent people, did we really reduce the net evil in the world, or did we just transfer it to ourselves in the name of retribution, and then called it justice? Dancing over the death of our enemies never serves as a good example to anyone. Food for thought.


Each action has two parts to it, intent and consequences. In this case you are saying that the consequences of what we did are the same, murder. However, the intent is completely different and therefore the actions are very much different.

How so? Both the soldiers and him fought and killed for what they defended. The thing is, the soldiers are seen as the "good guys", while Osama is, according to us, just an heartless evil bastard. Their intent was the same: kill the other for "justice", whatever you think it is.

He killed civilians, and his purpose was to kill civilians. The goal of the soldiers wasn't to kill civilians, but a retaliation to the murder of civilians. One is the action, the other is the reaction. If you can't see the difference, then there is nothing more for us to talk about.

I didn't want to talk to you anyway. Not that I couldn't counter-reply your reply and shatter all your dreams and illusions you have been living since you were 15.

so why did you post in here?

also when did i say the death count he caused equated to how guilty he was, i was asking you, at what count does it make him a mass murdering psychopath that deserves to die. because apparantly someone who kills innocents and non muslims in the name of Allah is equivelent to the US military killing him along with others who do the same thing.

 



Beuli2 said:
thismeintiel said:
Beuli2 said:
osamanobama said:
Beuli2 said:

I care not.


you dont care that the someone who slaughtered 1000's in the name of islam, was brought to justice? 

No. And who are you to determinate someone's justice?

And who was he to end the lives of 1000's before their time? 

What this has to do with what I said? I think you're thinking wrong of who I am. I am not defending Osama, nor I don't think what he did wasn't good. What I'm talking here who are we to judge others, if we ourselves are sinners as well.

And when's the last time you masterminded a plot to kill about 3,000 innocent people?  Never?  Thought so.  Whether you choose to ignore it or not, there is evil in this world.  Evil that must be prevented from harming others.  And no ammount of pleading or bargaining will stop them, so death or incarceration are the only alternatives.



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