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BHR-3 said:
Runa216 said:

don't wanna press the issue, but are my posts invisible or something? 


no they are not theyre alright too

maybe uploading a profile pic or adding a sig would help


Damn too little too late, ignore that last post haha.



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Squilliam said:
chocoloco said:

Its funny squilliam after looking at you list of games and platforms owned (especially pc) it would seem you have comproimised your life and sanity in the same way as you accuse other members of doing.

Also where is this magical number of three games you  say because it seems like you just made up a number that seems reasonable to you. You should look at your own clear biases you make on this forum all the time before you accuse other members of having problems.

I've become more sane in recent times and I have given myself better balance. Anyway 3 is the number because thats the typical number of games bought by a typical console owner on average every year IIRC. It doesn't matter if there are 10 exclusives if you buy only 3 games in a year. All that matters is that the 3 games you buy are great.

Wow I love the bolded part!

Well I do know some people on here seem to do nothing but game and sometimes are very annoying in their devotion to a console.

That number does make more sense especially for the poorer players. I just had to call you out because you sometimes appear biased towards microsoft. I have a slight bias for Sony, but I fully admit it. So I just thought you were being a little hypocritical.

Anyways, having balance in life is certainly a good thing. Something I have always tried to do myself. :)



chocoloco said:
Squilliam said:

I've become more sane in recent times and I have given myself better balance. Anyway 3 is the number because thats the typical number of games bought by a typical console owner on average every year IIRC. It doesn't matter if there are 10 exclusives if you buy only 3 games in a year. All that matters is that the 3 games you buy are great.

Wow I love the bolded part!

Well I do know some people on here seem to do nothing but game and sometimes are very annoying in their devotion to a console.

That number does make more sense especially for the poorer players. I just had to call you out because you sometimes appear biased towards microsoft. I have a slight bias for Sony, but I fully admit it. So I just thought you were being a little hypocritical.

Anyways, having balance in life is certainly a good thing. Something I have always tried to do myself. :)

Cool at least it hasn't ended in a disagreement.

Anyway if you read back my original point was that theres enough on any console to satisfy most people and if you already have a current generation console there is little reason to switch from any of them for the typical console owner.



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Squilliam said:

Cool at least it hasn't ended in a disagreement.

Anyway if you read back my original point was that theres enough on any console to satisfy most people and if you already have a current generation console there is little reason to switch from any of them for the typical console owner.

Okay well I just didn't believe your number about 3 without a source, my inner sceptic is always on the prowl. I totally agree that a person that buys so few games would want to spend extra money in a transition to another console when they are not increadibly invested in the hobby. Cool beans than.



chocoloco said:
Squilliam said:

Cool at least it hasn't ended in a disagreement.

Anyway if you read back my original point was that theres enough on any console to satisfy most people and if you already have a current generation console there is little reason to switch from any of them for the typical console owner.

Okay well I just didn't believe your number about 3 without a source, my inner sceptic is always on the prowl. I totally agree that a person that buys so few games would want to spend extra money in a transition to another console when they are not increadibly invested in the hobby. Cool beans than.

The source is the current attach rate for consoles.



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Pristine20 said:
Michael-5 said:

Sorry ignore that last sentence. However GeoHotz did restore features of the PS3, and was sued for distribution of jailbreaking methods. I believe BC was one of those features, but I'm not sure.

BC is my complaint, and it's one of the features that can be restored with a jailbreak. Just an example I can expand upon, because I'm not sure what other features were restored with GeoHotz.


I have never heard of Geohot's JB being able to restore BC. He was sued for releasing/distributing the root key the ps3 uses to authenticate software from what I hear. That is the company's IP and just cant be released at will.

It's possible someone could've figured out how to create some ps2 emulator for ps3 tx to Geohots release but what came out first was how to play games you didnt buy. I'm also not 100% sure non-BC ps3s can even read ps2 games but they can actually tell when it's a ps2 game so who knows.

Root key allows users to do anything. I'm sure using it one could install a PS2 emulator, such as one you have on your PC. I believe a root key can do that.

I limit my arguements to BC because I don't know what else you would use a root key for other then backing up or pirating games, and BC. However I heard using the root key can restore the PS3 to older firmware, or return functionality.



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irstupid said:
Michael-5 said:
irstupid said:
Michael-5 said:
irstupid said:
 

but i wish sony would have had liek always two models.  ONE has BC, while the other doesn't.  Screw this 60 gb to 180 gb or whatever stuipd hard drive shit.  hard drives anyone can purchase.  removing bc is somethign else entirely

I think what's fair is allowing people access to you're consoles infrastructure (like Adroid devices) so someone else could make a PS2 emulator which runs PS2 disks.

PS3 is completly capable of playing PS2 game disks, and ancient consoles which are no longer in production (Sega Dreamcast). I see nothing wrong with making your PS3 play PS2 games as it was a part of older PS3 hardware, and I see nothing wrong with making it play games for consoles which no longer exist.

I do see something wrong with reducing the capabilities of your console, and then sueing people who figure out how to restore these properties.

well yea, i see nothing wrong with modding consoles that you OWN and playing games that you OWN on them.  hell if someone can mod a ps3 to play 360 games i'm fine with that as well.  they still have to buy the games. 

i was just saying removing bc pissed me off. and i would much rather them if they have 2 versions it be a bc one and a non bc one instead of pathetic hard drive space. 

and yea their SAVINGS, were purely for themselves.  tehy screwed us consumers over.  we used to get something, and now we don't.  same price, less features.

Well no, modding a PS3 to play 360 or Wii games is different. Those consoles still exist, and Sony doesn't have licences to play 360 games. That's unfair because by moding a PS3 to play 360 or Wii games (assuming modding it to even play 360 games is possible), will affect console sales.

If you want to play Halo or Mario Kart, you need to own the respective console.

Moding the PS3 to play old consoles, which are no longer in curculation is different. All moding a PS3 to play Sega Saturn does is save you money. Sega is not loosing money on an un-purchased console, since they no longer produce them, and neither are game sales. In fact this type of modification is legal in USA and Canada.

Either way removing BC was just unfair. the fact that Sony sued GeoHotz for restoring this feature and attemping to surpass privacy laws is even worse. The Code of Conduct sony showed was just plain pathetic.

let me ask you this.  if i build something from scratch that can play all three systems is that bad?

consoles are just a means to an end.  THey are a way to play games.  Microsoft and Sony are not making their money on console sales.  They are making it on games and periphiols and so on. 

I bought a wii, a 360, a ps3, and a computer.  If I can manage to take them apart or mod them or whatever and turn it into a ps4, i sure as hell can do that.

If you build aconsole from scratch, and do not distribute it, thats perfectly legal.

Microsoft AND Sony are making money on their consoles, a lot of money.

However moding a PS3 to play Wii is a different story. You're affecting console sales. There should be some limit to console modification, and I beleive by law it's consoles still in circulation. The only reason I feel PS3 should be PS2 BC is because it used to be out of the box, but then no one played PS3 games.



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Squilliam said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Squilliam said:

All I can say is that fanatics will be fanatics. Anyway would I switch from the PS3 to an Xbox 360? If I had just PS3 that would be stupid and if I had just an Xbox 360 the switch would be stupid too. Neither really offers enough USP to really justify owning a 2nd for anyone who fits within the normal distribution of console owners.


Unless a 360 only owner really, really likes Gears 3 and Forza three, it's not just a risky decision to trade in the systems and get a PS3 for the games coming out this year.

Sure if there were two games coming out on the Xbox 360 and however many games coming out on the PS3 that might be the case. Unfortunately there are a couple of dozen great multiplatform games coming too and that kinda waters down the Sony exclusive lineup given most people would be hard pressed to buy more than 2-3 games in a year.

People critisize 360 for having only 2 games announced this fall (so far), but what does Sony have? Uncharted 3, Resistance 3, and InFamous 2? Wow big difference, one late announced game at E3 will even that out, and Halo is strongly rumored.

And what about the Kinect Games? Rise of Nightmares, Heavy Fire, Project Draco, Steel Batallion, and don't forget Seseme Street. I'm not sure about you, but I think a lot of people on this website could improve their grammer. Seseme Street may just be the most difficult game yet (I'm just joking). Seriously though, if Project Dragon becomes the next Panzer Dragoon, how sick would that be? It's being developed by the same people after all. Let's not ignore Kinect shall we?

Yes I'm aware the Move has games too, but much much Less. Heros on the Move, Sorcery, and what else?

Squilliam, I agree with you, turn down peoples bias, think about the Children!

It doesn't make sense to trade in a console. Trade in Values for consoles is <$50, and games over 2 years old are almost worthless. You would be lucky to get the opposite console, PS3 or 360.

Also I agree with the 2-3 games a year philosophy, and I can back it up. What's the tie ratio for the PS3 and 360? Under 10 games per console owner? For PS2 it was about 11 games per console, and with a lifetime of 6 years (as a primary console), that would be less then 2 games a year if everyone bought their console day 1. However people don't buy their consoles day 1, so assume an average primary lifespan of 3 years, thats <4 games per year. This ignores game sales after the PS3 launched, realistically during prime PS2 life, the tie ratio was lower, maybe 9 (like the 360 is now), so that makes 3 games a year.

BTW How big are those PS3 franchises? InFamous 1 is sub 2 million, Resistance 2 barely crosses 2 million, and Uncharted 2, the only big title, is about 5 million. Combined, these three games sold <10 million units, and their successors will likely sell about 10 million combined. Gears 2 and Forza 3 combine to sell about 11 million, and their successors will sell more. So really is the 360 missing anything? No.

P.S. I know I skipped Twisted Metal. If people can ignore even a single Kinect game, why can't I start ignoring a game which was originally planned to be an Arcade title?



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2011:

PS3 = Yakuza 4,motorstorm,KZ3,LBP2,Resistance3,Uncharted 3,Infamous 2,WKC2 and twisted metal.

360 =  Gears and forza.

notice how I didn't even include games like socom4,Ratchet all 4 one or PSmove crap on the ps3 list?

If you cant see a big difference in that then god help you cause no1 else can and quit morphing the debate on which console has most exclusive game titles releasing into our only 2 exclusive sells more, it really looks desperate TBH you know you only got 2 titles so you resort on talking about how many ppl are gonna buy it like its gonna change the fact that the other console has more exclusive to offer to the gamers.



Oh, there are a LOT more PS3 exclusives than that, and I imagine there will be more Xbox titles, I doubt Microsoft would drop the ball so conclusively this year without some surprises.  I really really hope they do have some surprises, that's for sure! As it stands:  

360 - Gears of War 3, Forza 5(?)

PS3 - LittleBigPlanet 2, Killzone 3, Yakuza 4, Motorstorm Apocalypse, Socom 4, inFamous 2, Resistance 3, Uncharted 3, Ratchet and Clank: All 4 One, Twisted Metal, the Ico collection,  and oithers that may or may not make it this year including two of my most anticipated, The Last Guardian and Final Fantasy vs XIII.  

Wii - ??? will we get Zelda? 



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