Those games have No presence in the west unless you are thinking about otaku playing true love.  Street Pass could make a dating sim with social integration even better.  Myspace and FB don't really help you socialize with those in your immediate vicinity all that well as well as some things could be improved by more gamey aspects that MS and FB lack.   

Look up Epic Win on iphone.  It's more along the idea I have about making mundane things that kids need to do into something fun by giving them loot and xp for it.   If they got cool stuff for the xp and loot or their parents also rewarded them for finishing those lists of tasks we could be on to something huge it's just a matter of the right kind of positive reinforcement.  Some people hardly consider Wii Sports, Play or Fit to be games but that doesn't mean they don't have good appeal and are enjoyable.  

Games aren't just for kids. Though it's great to appeal to them because whining to your parents that you want something often works.  They are not however the only demographic.

^^^^ thats irrelevant if they have no presence in the West, Japanese have been playing those for a while, that means they dont believe that they will do well in the West or no western companies feel the need to adapt those. Mundane tasks to make fun, thats exactly what Farmville and that fish game are. There already on FB and guess who plays those alot?? Females. No i wont look up iphone games, i dont like most smart phone games, they dont have the depth i crave but hell if thats what people want then make em, just as long as they dont stifle the games i like to play its all good. 

As for your list, its flawed the games you listed for HDs are actually good. while the Wii list is kind of poor. MH is good is guess but im sure its not the best in the series. Tvs.C is good but not SSF4 or Mvs.C3 good. Madworld sucked, Conduit is mediocore, Castlevania?? that game was horrible all around, Red Steel 1 was atrocious. and im think Last Story & Xenoblade are not as good as people say since its not setting the charts on fire

There may be a market for them in the west.  I think it might be larger than thought.  Especially if we change the format a little and it would definitely be expanding that audience past Japan.  I'm not asking you to play or purchase Epic win simply look at it to understand what I'm talking about as it's the best example I know of. Because bringing up farmville and the fish game means you obviously don't understand what I'm talking about.  

Those Wii games are right out of his post.  Those are the 3rd party titles I was speaking about.  Thus a list of the sales of them. 

1. A new initiative doesn't bring them up to snuff immediately.  Sony has been trying for a while to do so and not succeeding I don't see why it would be so easy for Nintendo.  Sony started back in the PS2 days with socom and what not.  PSN was only just profitable this year and maybe not now with the outtage. It generally doesn't happen overnight.  M$ having experience with an operating system and having users connected on PC games for ages has a huge advantage yet it still took them years and lots of red ink and I really doubt that Nintendos first real online initiative is going to ursup them.  

2. I can refer you back to number one as well.  Those N64 releases were Rare titles and they are long gone(Working for M$ now too). Rare made a lot of intersting games with shooting on the N64 like Jet Force Gemini(which I loved) and many other their platformers had many shooter elements.  They still don't have much expertise with online shooters irrespective of their history with good quality shooters. ask Naughty Dog they are quite different beasts.  

3.  It's possible but I don't see it as plausible.  Nintendo is playing catch up here big time.  CoD and GTAV aren't gonna take core users away from their long established social networks(Hell RROD couldn't do that and they don't have to buy a new system to enjoy those games) I don't see the titles that Nintendo plan on doing this with but I will at least wait until E3 before I count it out completely.  I'm not getting my hopes up either though.

4. I understand that you want a great variety of content.  I understand that is the best ecosystem to hope for in anyones eyes.  I just think that it takes a lot of manpower and money to break into to "hardcore" market.  Nintendo is only just starting with their network initiative. They are only just starting with the games too.  With all that work and manpower consumed I just don't see how they are gonna cater to both.  Place that with the core values kinda opposing the expanding audience ones it's a hard rope to walk.  They can't even get out enough of their core franchises often enough to satiate Nintendo fans.  How are they gonna do this?

I really don't feel that I'm underestimating or overestimating any company here.  These are big tasks and it's a very competitive market. More so than it's ever been.  I've been gaming starting with an atari and quickly working my way up.  I prefer PS but i've owned many non PS gaming platforms.  I see the past and am not stuck in the now, I am just acknowledging that this next gen is an uphill battle for all of them.  

. Even though Nintendo paved the way for the Move Sony still managed to not achieve great heights with it and the same for M$ and Kinect(though better than Sony's attempt). Nintendo's recent outting with the 3DS i.e. not even a browser or online store yet and better friend codes just don't encourage me personally. I suppose I should say with the FPS/TPS and actiony shooter crowd not necessarily core audience.

2. Unless they get Retro to do it I just don't see it happening from their other teams and I still have my doubts about online shooter from them(I may be wrong but didn't one Metroid prime have a multiplayer mode that was critically panned?). As for rare  Kinect sports is doing pretty well (best selling non bundled Kinect game if i'm not mistaken and 3mi selling game on a 10-12 million userbase is pretty good)and I thought Kameo was pretty good though Perfect Dark zero was very meh.  Viva pinata did fine for a sim game that wasn't the sims or animal crossing. Though I don't really even wanna mention that thing they called a banjo game on 360.  

3. I do like owning multiple consoles. There just haven't been enough reasons this genration for me to do so.  I had an atari, NES, SNES, Genesis, PS, Saturn, N64, PS2, DC, GC.  I've been a multiguy mostly up until lately.  My point is having those titles which are the ones I suspect they are going to get as I don't see Western 3rd parties lining up to give Nintendo exclusive content(maybe Ubisoft).  They may get a few exclusive games from the Japanese 3rd parties but this gen at least they weren't big enough to matter and I'm sure Japanese would rather be developing for the 3/DS, PSP/NGP because of their long commutes and lower overall investment in cost similar to this gen.  The third party support I expect them to get does them no good because people can get them on the networks they already have or it would be cheaper to get them on a PS360 than Cafe if we are talking about newcomers even.  Who knows. I may be surprised I just wouldn't bet on it.  

4. I miss the days when every console seemed to have unique identity.  Why did CoD and GTA and the Unreal engine lead us to this multiplatform hell of a generation?  

I said this to Boutros not too long ago, but I'll say it again:

How the hell is Xenoblade a 3rd party title?  The rights to the game are owned by Nintendo, Nintendo published/ are publishing the game and they own a majority share (80% I think) in the developer.  Just because Monolith where once part of a 3rd party (Namco), doesn't mean that they aren't 1st party now. 

I agree.  But I don't even think that's a bad thing.  I wish more publishers would advertise their games to the extent Microsoft did with Kinect(Sony cough cough) customers can't know their interested lest they are aware of the software.

I'm not underestimating Nintendo's focus on this goal.  Games are expensive as all hell to make nowadays.  That's why we see this multiplat thing being the way it is.  Sony and M$ have seemingly stopped paying for exclusives and I wouldn't doubt it isn't because it's cheaper to start new studios than to buy games from 3rd parties that may not even be a hit.  Has Nintendo ever engaged in that back when games were cheaper to make?  It's hard to see them biting off 20-60 million per game from someone else when they could start or purchase a studio and advertise their first game with that money.  I suppose if they want it bad enough just doesn't seem sustainable to me.

@nitekrawler  point taken, both of them

@padib  i dont think base has to do with the quality of the game. if those games were released on PS360 they would have done just as bad, nobody wants to buy nonsense especially in the case of Conduit with KZ, Halo, Bioshosck etc. most peopel would not want to touch Conduit

Sure it is.  It's in third place week after week (Even when the 360 has no compelling exclusive software coming out for it either).  It's third party software support remains non-existent with no first party big hitters to speak of for a long time.  It doesn't have a truly viable online setup.  Every console has some motion control viability (So what's the point of the Wii at this point?)

It still will likely keep it's crown when this generations consoles are all off the market but it's certainly limping to the finish line.

It probably will still sell the best around Holiday time due to pricing, name recognition, etc.  But year round it will get pushed around by the HD consoles.

^^^ that makes sense but the Wii has the highest install base of any current gen console, so how do you explain that??