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LordTheNightKnight on 06 May 2011
padib said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

"As for who's right or wrong in terms of Nintendo's future, only time will tell. But by the trend we saw lately, I couldn't see them sustain interest by continuing in the same old direction. PS360 are gaining momentum by each passing day, so the good old Nintendo Wii/DS strategy seems at least presently defeated. Discussed ad nauseam in thread"

They stopped that same old direction. That's why the Wii lost momentum. They had to have stayed on it to keep the Wii moving up, or gotten back on it to get the Wii back on track.

If Iwata revived Hal Laboratories, and if he revived the Nintendo brand with the Wii/DS for a time, I definitely trust his judgement with this. They will reintegrate that strategy when they have a more balanced offering. In the mean time, by the nature of the casual consumer, that market was not sustainable in and of itself. That base has no brand faithfulness to hardware whatsoever. They have brand faithfulness to software, but 1st parties aren't the only ones making software, and can't on their own keep up to demand. On the hardware side of things, as an example, if Kinect one ups the Wii, they will all move there. They are a very volatile consumerbase, and Nintendo is very wise not to commit their business solely to them. Moreover, the 3rd party issue has been known for more than a decade. If this is the time for Nintendo to finally clean that mess up, they should make the most of this opportunity, as it is no doubt vital for them long term.

But suppose for a minute that even that were irrelevant, nonetheless Nintendo has every intent to capture both the casual and the core market because I believe, to their surprise, the core market is actually much broader than Nintendo had originally understood it to be. They would be fools not to go after it...


The same casual fallacy, and pretending they are flighty. Bull. Mainstream gamers have shown the games they like are focused on raw fun. They have not changed that, as the bestselling games ever made are all variations of that. If anyone abandons at the first opportunity, it's developers. They stopped making games the mainstream liked when they were bored with making them. And I don't just mean Nintendo.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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LordTheNightKnight on 09 May 2011

"I'm guessing that's why the PS3 and XBox360 are doing so well at the moment as compared to the "most popular system", relatively speaking. Making huge sales with x-tuple remakes of the same game (COD is basically MW2 again), gamers (consumers) are definitely focused on raw fun, all the time, for all segments of the market. That's why it is, as you say, causal fallusy - your point is causal fallusy (excuse the typo)."

Actually, yes. The systems are continuing some clear hit games, but Nintendo is not for the Wii, or even that much for the 3DS (just a few follow ups to hits, and Nintendogs Plus Cats didn't even replicate the success of the previous game).



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight on 10 May 2011

"It's important to grasp that the PS360 hits are of a totally different nature than those typical for Wii or DS in that they attract an entirely different audience; one that is not bent on "Raw Fun", but on sensationalist experiences (adult characters and real situations, compelling storylines, rich music, impressive fighting moves, possible blood, sex or gore)."

Are they really looking for that? I notice those games that focus more on that tend to not have legs. I think that's just what developers and the gaming press decide is the reason to justify how they feel about those things.

The audience for those systems just has a higher tolerance for those things, not that they want those things over raw fun.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

brendude13 on 10 May 2011

Lol, it really is dying.

But for some reason, I have never wanted it more. I am dying to play some good Wii and GC games, and the Wii is so cheap these days. I miss the innocent fun you used to have with consoles like these. No fancy graphics, online accounts or silly trophies. Just fun and innocent games.

Plus I am getting a new bedroom set-up so I have space to use the Wii-mote, and I found out I can use component cables aswell.

EDIT: I used to own a Wii and a DS, but I sold them both, now I want them back. DERP.



spammythesmartone on 10 May 2011

It's not about sales it's about health of a console and wii is the least healthiest 



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oniyide on 10 May 2011

@lordtheknight  higher tolerance??? PS360 owners WANT those things. To suggest otherwise is bullcrap. Take it from someone who actually owns an HD console, we want those games or else nobody would buy a Wii. GTA, MGS, Uncharted, Halo, COD, GOW, they all have legs and those are just of the top of my head



oniyide on 10 May 2011

It should have said "nobody would buy an HD" but yeah if Cafe could have the best of both worlds, why would anyone reject???



nitekrawler1285 on 10 May 2011
oniyide said:

@lordtheknight  higher tolerance??? PS360 owners WANT those things. To suggest otherwise is bullcrap. Take it from someone who actually owns an HD console, we want those games or else nobody would buy a Wii. GTA, MGS, Uncharted, Halo, COD, GOW, they all have legs and those are just of the top of my head


I don't want those things. I own a PS3.  I actually tend to loathe it being more in line with tolerating it as LtK said. I haven't seen Ultra blood and gore in MGS, Uncharted, Halo or CoD.  If Ultra violence and gore sells so well then why has MK recieved a lukewarm reception despite being a reviewed well by critics? It features such in spades.  Something tells me that only the 12-14 year olds shouting obscenities online enjoy that silly stuff. Besides those games you mentioned are good examples of good gameplay and thats probably whats far more important to their sales than any amount of gore.

The only game that I really enjoy gore in is Shadow of Rome but the gore also has alot to do with the gameplay and the theme besides being so gratuitous you can't take it serioulsy.



nitekrawler1285 on 10 May 2011
padib said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

"It's important to grasp that the PS360 hits are of a totally different nature than those typical for Wii or DS in that they attract an entirely different audience; one that is not bent on "Raw Fun", but on sensationalist experiences (adult characters and real situations, compelling storylines, rich music, impressive fighting moves, possible blood, sex or gore)."

Are they really looking for that? I notice those games that focus more on that tend to not have legs. I think that's just what developers and the gaming press decide is the reason to justify how they feel about those things.

The audience for those systems just has a higher tolerance for those things, not that they want those things over raw fun.

Adding to what oniyide said.

The beauty of the balanced approach is that nintendo guarantees these sporadic hits (let alone those that have legs), all the while keeping the Mario Karts and the NSMBs, which have legs, to have the full market profile it vitally needs. It makes the Nintendo console truly a console for everyone, none descriminated (neither the adult, mature, hardcore, true gamer, fun gamer, kid gamer, old gamer, mom gamer, etc.). It then becomes more something like a DVD player. Those have movies for all tastes, none descriminated. That what I understand Cafe to be, that's what I believe it should be.


For it to be balanced Nintendo will have to make expanded audience games and they don't seem interested in doing so anymore.  If they were they could have been doing it on the Wii and it wouldn't be in the position it's in now and Nintendomination would be continueing.  



oniyide on 10 May 2011

^^^^^ pretty much yeah, im not talking about violence for the sake of violence but your WiiSports aunty and grandma are not going to really be stomping around liberty city.

@nitecrawler those games i metioned ARE violent and have good gameplay, i take it you enjoy those as you would have sold your PS3 long ago