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mrstickball said:
evolution_1ne said:

not a fucking chance he'd run the country further into the ground like republicans have been doing for the past 10 years

what we need to elect is non-pussy ass democrats that aint afraid to pass a damn bill, learn that the American public for the most part is fucking retarded and has no idea what's best for them and get shit fucking done, that way when things get better you idiots won't be scratching your heads trying to find some shit to get you re-elected

Obama can do shit by himself even though I wish he could but unfortunately  he NEEDS the Senate and Congress

You know, Obama had 2 years that he had a significant majority in the senate and a majority in congress. Why didn't he use that time to do the things you wanted?

did you read my post?

because the domination of the Senate and Congress was full with a bunch of pussy ass Democrats afraid to pass anything, they where more worried about getting re-elected and not pissing anyone off and didn't do anything, Bush was a complete fucking moron and so was his cabinet but they got shit done, even if what they got done butt fucked America into oblivion they got it done, and that's the only thing I like about republicans, aka non-pussies who get shit the fuck done, and dare you to say anything about it. If the Democrats where half as gansta the Rep.  this country would be very much different.

Obama couldn't do much because he had no support from his weak ass party and like I said he can't do shit by himself

these past 2 years have been the most embarrassing for the democrats probably ever, how do you dominate the white house and do nothing:



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Mr Khan said:
ssj12 said:
mrstickball said:
FaRmLaNd said:

Will Paul and this Johnson guy fix america? Who knows?

But what I do know is that staying the course isn't going to solve your countries problems in regards to creating a surplus for example. Beyond that I really shouldn't speculate because I don't know enough about the US political system to have a clue.

But doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome has never worked.

Fixing America is going to take a decade or two of very motivated people willing to sacrifice dearly and live contently to get us to where we need to be.

However, I think that Paul, Johnson or anyone willing to do the right things can at least start the process. Or, we can always implode on ourselves, and fix it the old fashion way via revolution (not saying armed, but in a general sense of political upheval)

That will most likely happen sadly. We will probably get Trump in the white house based off our country's luck as of the last 10 or so presidents (how ever many since Eisenhower, i think he was the one before shit started rolling down hill).

Eisenhower's day, debt was low, the economy was mostly booming (cyclical stop-start issues throughout the late 50's, but the general trend was upward) the middle class was growing, unions were powerful and pervasive, and the tax rates on the wealthy were 70%

Almost utopian, if not for all the racism, sexism, anti-communist paranoia, and pervasive smoking


thats why i said "since," he was the one before things went down hill.



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ssj12 said:
Mr Khan said:

Eisenhower's day, debt was low, the economy was mostly booming (cyclical stop-start issues throughout the late 50's, but the general trend was upward) the middle class was growing, unions were powerful and pervasive, and the tax rates on the wealthy were 70%

Almost utopian, if not for all the racism, sexism, anti-communist paranoia, and pervasive smoking


thats why i said "since," he was the one before things went down hill.

Right, but my indication is that the era that many libertarians point back to and speak of how "great" things were is an era of policies that would make most libertarians vomit

Though i've seen some real hardcore libs around here who say we haven't had a good president since Calvin Coolidge



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evolution_1ne said:
mrstickball said:
evolution_1ne said:

not a fucking chance he'd run the country further into the ground like republicans have been doing for the past 10 years

what we need to elect is non-pussy ass democrats that aint afraid to pass a damn bill, learn that the American public for the most part is fucking retarded and has no idea what's best for them and get shit fucking done, that way when things get better you idiots won't be scratching your heads trying to find some shit to get you re-elected

Obama can do shit by himself even though I wish he could but unfortunately  he NEEDS the Senate and Congress

You know, Obama had 2 years that he had a significant majority in the senate and a majority in congress. Why didn't he use that time to do the things you wanted?

did you read my post?

because the domination of the Senate and Congress was full with a bunch of pussy ass Democrats afraid to pass anything, they where more worried about getting re-elected and not pissing anyone off and didn't do anything, Bush was a complete fucking moron and so was his cabinet but they got shit done, even if what they got done butt fucked America into oblivion they got it done, and that's the only thing I like about republicans, aka non-pussies who get shit the fuck done, and dare you to say anything about it. If the Democrats where half as gansta the Rep.  this country would be very much different.

Obama couldn't do much because he had no support from his weak ass party and like I said he can't do shit by himself

these past 2 years have been the most embarrassing for the democrats probably ever, how do you dominate the white house and do nothing:


So what about Obamacare? It proved that the Dems would pass something that the American people were against. The stimulus bill too. Why didn't they push 1,000 other things the people didn't like, too?



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mrstickball said:
evolution_1ne said:
mrstickball said:
evolution_1ne said:

not a fucking chance he'd run the country further into the ground like republicans have been doing for the past 10 years

what we need to elect is non-pussy ass democrats that aint afraid to pass a damn bill, learn that the American public for the most part is fucking retarded and has no idea what's best for them and get shit fucking done, that way when things get better you idiots won't be scratching your heads trying to find some shit to get you re-elected

Obama can do shit by himself even though I wish he could but unfortunately  he NEEDS the Senate and Congress

You know, Obama had 2 years that he had a significant majority in the senate and a majority in congress. Why didn't he use that time to do the things you wanted?

did you read my post?

because the domination of the Senate and Congress was full with a bunch of pussy ass Democrats afraid to pass anything, they where more worried about getting re-elected and not pissing anyone off and didn't do anything, Bush was a complete fucking moron and so was his cabinet but they got shit done, even if what they got done butt fucked America into oblivion they got it done, and that's the only thing I like about republicans, aka non-pussies who get shit the fuck done, and dare you to say anything about it. If the Democrats where half as gansta the Rep.  this country would be very much different.

Obama couldn't do much because he had no support from his weak ass party and like I said he can't do shit by himself

these past 2 years have been the most embarrassing for the democrats probably ever, how do you dominate the white house and do nothing:


So what about Obamacare? It proved that the Dems would pass something that the American people were against. The stimulus bill too. Why didn't they push 1,000 other things the people didn't like, too?

How long did it take them to pass those??? and how watered down where they once they were passed??? answer A LONG TIME AND ALOT!!



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Mr Khan said:
ssj12 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Eisenhower's day, debt was low, the economy was mostly booming (cyclical stop-start issues throughout the late 50's, but the general trend was upward) the middle class was growing, unions were powerful and pervasive, and the tax rates on the wealthy were 70%

Almost utopian, if not for all the racism, sexism, anti-communist paranoia, and pervasive smoking


thats why i said "since," he was the one before things went down hill.

Right, but my indication is that the era that many libertarians point back to and speak of how "great" things were is an era of policies that would make most libertarians vomit

Though i've seen some real hardcore libs around here who say we haven't had a good president since Calvin Coolidge

I know Reagan is the one that sent us on our death spiral financially. I know Roosevelt did something that was another nail, Nixon actually attempted to help things sadly they backfired. I just forget who came first Eisenhower or Reagan, because whoever was before Reagan was the last good president that didn't kill our financial, political, and civil systems.



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ssj12 said:
Mr Khan said:
ssj12 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Eisenhower's day, debt was low, the economy was mostly booming (cyclical stop-start issues throughout the late 50's, but the general trend was upward) the middle class was growing, unions were powerful and pervasive, and the tax rates on the wealthy were 70%

Almost utopian, if not for all the racism, sexism, anti-communist paranoia, and pervasive smoking


thats why i said "since," he was the one before things went down hill.

Right, but my indication is that the era that many libertarians point back to and speak of how "great" things were is an era of policies that would make most libertarians vomit

Though i've seen some real hardcore libs around here who say we haven't had a good president since Calvin Coolidge

I know Reagan is the one that sent us on our death spiral financially. I know Roosevelt did something that was another nail, Nixon actually attempted to help things sadly they backfired. I just forget who came first Eisenhower or Reagan, because whoever was before Reagan was the last good president that didn't kill our financial, political, and civil systems.

Carter, whose administration is remembered specifically as a time of American mediocrity



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I used to like Ron Paul, but the more I learn about him, the more I think he's completely insane.

  • He wants to leave NATO (leaving Western Europe to be destroyed)
  • He wants to remove troops from every other country in the world
  • He wants to abolish the Federal Reserve. Just what the fuck.
  • He also wants to abolish income tax. We all do, but that would pretty much cause economic collapse. The government can spend pretty much nothing if it doesn't collect income tax.
  • He is ridiculously in favour of massive state power. Sure, he likes the idea of liberty, but if states feel otherwise, it's their choice
  • He voted against civil rights. Against civil rights. And he said he would do the same today.
  • And to top it off, he wants to get rid of the Department of Education and leave millions of poorer Americans without schooling (I can only assume)
  • Basically, he has this veneration of the Founding Fathers akin to worship. He sees the Constitution as his Bible, and if anything is even hinted at as being undesirable by the constitution, he will not hear a word about it.

For now, my cross-Atlantic support (if that counts for anything) goes to Gary Johnson as a less sociopathic, more sensible version of Ron Paul. I wouldn't mind Obama being re-elected (sure as hell better than Ron Paul, Mitt Romney or Sarah Palin being President), but I would like somebody who will take a stance on debt reduction. Britain is already heading for collapse, and I don't want the USA to do the same.



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evolution_1ne said:

not a fucking chance he'd run the country further into the ground like republicans have been doing for the past 10 years

what we need to elect is non-pussy ass democrats that aint afraid to pass a damn bill, learn that the American public for the most part is fucking retarded and has no idea what's best for them and get shit fucking done, that way when things get better you idiots won't be scratching your heads trying to find some shit to get you re-elected

Obama can do shit by himself even though I wish he could but unfortunately  he NEEDS the Senate and Congress

Obama can't get shit done. He's an idealist. He makes all of these fantastic, magnificent lofty claims about human rights and freedom and equality, but he stopped giving a damn the moment he walked into the Oval Office and realised what a state America had been left in by eight years of Bush (and, to be fair, partly Clinton, Bush Sr and Reagan). He tries to strike a balance between his idealism and not bankrupting the country and undermining national security, and he fails in both aims. America can't leave Iraq. Guantanamo can't be closed. Obamacare is not feasible, and significant cuts to American public spending are required.

So, again, he's a hell of a lot better than most Republicans, but a select few (Gary Johnson, that guy from Rent is Too Damn High but only because of his beard, and maybe Fred Karger, but he'll never be chosen for the Republican ticket, being a homosexual non-Christian) would do a much better job than him.



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