@axt113  im gonna sound like an asshole but whatever, f*** the market, i care about Galaxy 2 and Other M. I dont give a damn about what some old person who thinks the 3d games are complicated think. I know that sounds crude but really they dont care about the games a like and i dont really care about the games they like. In an ideal world we would have a 50 50 split but if ninty had to choose i would hope they go with the Galaxys

And i find it strange that you said that they didnt follow up, Are you joking?? one of the complaints of wii is that there were too many copy cat Wiisports fit and dancing games. the library is made up of a lot of those are you really telling me that we needed more Ea sports, just dances, get in fit with melb, Raquet sports 5, biggest loser, etc.??

Just making Zelda a swordfighting game with no puzzles or backtracking fundamentally changes what makes Zelda, Zelda.  Sure, some of the sailing and train riding could get a little boring at times, and there's always improvements that can be made, but it sounds as though Zelda's just not a game for you.  And there's surely people who would agree with you, but for those of us who love Zelda, we don't want to see it stray from its essence and become another game.

Which brings me to your disdain for 3D Mario.  No, it's not going to appeal to as many people as 2D Mario, but it is what it is, and a lot of people love it for that.  Not every single game on a system has to be completely revolutionary or a bonafide system seller in order to justify its existence.  And not everything that's popular is necessarily regarded as the best, quality wise.  Is American Idol the best show on TV or is Justin Bieber the best music out there?

Why take away people's ability to enjoy a wide variety of experiences?  Ironically, the NES, DS, and PS2, which you actually credit as being successful, had just that; a varied library of software.

@axt113:

Your point of view is understandable but really stubborn.

Yes Nintendo realise they need 2D mario, Miyamoto stated that a 2D Mario will appear on the 3DS! Also NSMBWii IS a bridge game, that mean it's a game that can please and be played by new comers/lapse gamers/core gamers/hardcore gamers. Every one will find something to do in it, as for Mario Kart Wii that is a bridge game too.

For this point, yes Nintendo need bridge games for the 3DS and project cafe but they are likely to come too: 3DS will have mario kart and a 2D Mario and project cafe will likely too.

Your problem is that there are not a "Wii Sport" for 3DS right of the bat, but you know what? The mass appeal games for the DS also come some time down the line. Let them a little time to see how they will manage the platform.

For my opinion SMG and Metroid: other M and Zelda are not waste of ressources, Nintendo need as much as diverse game as possible. If you piss off your core and only release wii sport and mario 2D games, they won't buy your next device. Not everyone love mario and zelda and samus and kirby, but there is possible they love 3, 2 or 1 of them and are willing to buy your console to play them. You just can't say Nintendo had better done a Wii Music2 or Animal Crossing2 (large appeal game normally) than SMG2. Even if it's not successful as NSMBWii, it stands on it own merits. Not every games are suppose to be system seller, but some games together will help to sell your console: look at the PS3, most of the PS3 exclusives weren't system seller, but together they hold and push the system that doing well now because of its well rounded librairy.

This.

The 
DS is underwhelming because of the price and the fact that Nintendo thought that casual games and clasic games would drive the console. They released Nintendog (casual game key title in the DS's early success) consumers didn't want it they also brought Pilot Wings a successful SNES era game. Short of 2D Mario that is exactly what you want Nintendo to do and yet it failed.

Turns out consumers don't want more of the same. 

And Galaxy did push hardware the week it came out it went up to 458,416 from 281,934 the week before and went up to 670,095 the week after etc that is pushing hardware, where as NSMB Wii only went to 713,415 from 524,453 a smaller relative boost to hardware. Mario Kart Wii on the other hand is the real hardware mover boosting hardware to 710,311 from 314,078, so obviously Nintendo shouldn't be wasting it's resorces on crap that doesn't move hardware like NSMB Wii and instead focus on cart racers as those are what reall drive hardware. And Kart did it in April instead of November so much more impressive.

old school stuff and full blown games are all dead ends, the consumers have spoken and they want minigame collections (preferably sports themed,) kart racers and fitnes games. And as prof here are the 5 games that consumers have judged worthy, clearly everything else consumers don't want.

1	Wii Sports (Wii) Nintendo, Sports	41.35	3.76	31.28	76.38
2	Wii Play (Wii) Nintendo, Other	14.63	2.92	10.60	28.15
3	Mario Kart Wii (Wii) Nintendo, Racer	11.68	3.13	11.87	26.69
4	Wii Sports Resort (Wii) Nintendo, Sports	13.07	2.32	10.66	26.05
5	Wii Fit (Wii) Nintendo, Sports	9.60	3.60	9.52	22.71

Just because you want old school games doesn't mean that consumers do or Nintendo should make them...

How can you say the 3DS has been underwhelming with 1 month on USA and Europe and 2 months in Japan. I could believe if you said this 1 year later the release or after their first holiday season, but come on! the console just released.

And, as far as i know EVERY single console peaked at it's 3rd year and then it declines. Maybe the PS3 could be an exception (i don't remember in which year Slim launched), but every other console released has followed that trend, so if you tell me "Wii has declined" my answer is: such a news. I can agree that Wii is been selling underwhelming to the console that outsold the PS2 at the same time frame but that's not related to the development of Galaxy instead of NSMBWii 2 of another Mario Kart (if you could ever believe that releasing 2 Mario Kart on the same system would sell more systems than one Bridge title and  a core one)

On a console you don't have only big system sellers, you also some small ones, like  Fire Emblem, heck i know the game doesn't sell a lot and you could say it doesn't sell systems, but i know several people that after playing that game in my house bought a Gamecube to play Path of Radiance and bought a Wii for Radiant Dawn. Several games don't move a lot of people but gather an audience.

Nintendo the only thing it did to themselves was let the 3rd party have some space to gain confidence on their platform with the 3DS launch.

For me this thread is done. You are way too stubborn and neither of us will change his mind.

There's so many old school games on Wii it's unreal. They catered for that market segment from start to end...

This thread is full of so much fail it's not even funny.  How is Nintendo "abandoning" the consumer by focusing more on what gamers actually WANT for a change?!?  They can only sell so many Wii Sports / Wii Fit / Wii Play titles for so long before their "expanded audience" starts to grow tired of such games, and you can't have a sustainable business model when the majority of your current audience buys only a handful of games a year, if that.

The most ironic thing is that, aside from the aformentioned casual-audience targeted games, the Wii's biggest selling titles are all traditional core franchises where little has changed from their predecessors.  Games like Galaxy 1 and 2, Mario Kart, Smash Bros Brawl, Twilight Princess, Prime 3, NSMB Wii, DKC Returns, etc, are all games that feature traditional control methods with motion controls tacked on as either a gameplay enhancement (Prime 3, Zelda, Galaxy), optional (MK Wii), or totally non-existent (Brawl).  Nintendo knows this, which is why their next system will (according to the rumors anyway) focus more on the traditional controller configuration rather than the Wiimote type controller.

I disagree, you cannot say the expanded market is unsustainible when Nintendo themselves choose not to support it, we can say the hardcore market is unsustainible due tothe failure of thsoe games on the Wii, the GCN, and the N64, not to mention the low low sales of the 3DS