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vlad321 on 05 May 2011
trestres said:
vlad321 said:


Further proof you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Infinite matter? It is widely believed that there is a finite amount of matter in the universe.

Why would an arbitrary amount of matter exist in a singular point? Why instead of the amount you say it wasn't 2 kilograms? All would give infinite density for a singular dimensionless point. Still, tell me how would you fit matter, which has dimensions into a dimensionless point?

I don't know, but are you aware of black holes? Do you know that they are also a singularity?



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trestres on 05 May 2011
vlad321 said:
trestres said:
vlad321 said:


Further proof you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Infinite matter? It is widely believed that there is a finite amount of matter in the universe.

Why would an arbitrary amount of matter exist in a singular point? Why instead of the amount you say it wasn't 2 kilograms? All would give infinite density for a singular dimensionless point. Still, tell me how would you fit matter, which has dimensions into a dimensionless point?

I don't know, but are you aware of black holes? Do you know that they are also a singularity?

Yes, I am aware. They are a different singularity and they have a lifespan after which they disappear. I know science cannot explain how they are formed, and will probably never be able to, much less be able to explain the big bang.

And black holes are formed by matte existing in our universe. How was that singular point formed before there was anything? Why did it stop being a singularity?



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trestres on 05 May 2011

September 03, 2010

"The Universe Exists Because of Spontaneous Creation" -Stephen Hawking

In "The Grand Design," Stephen Hawking and Caltech physicist Leonard Mlodinow suggest that physics and metaphysics (and religion) are merging. The grand design which we have taken for granted since Newton is more complex than anything we ever dreamed of. Models of the universe are changing radically. Many physicists doublt the reality of a Big Bang. We live in a world in which many physicists have come to believe there are not merely three dimensions plus time, but 10, or possibly 11 -a new world view world that encompasses that includes black holes, supermassive black holes, galaxy-mass black holes, dark matter, dark energy , string theory, M-theory, alternate pasts and alternate futures. 

p { clear: none ! important; } "The universe began with the Big Bang, which simply followed the inevitable law of physics," Hawking writes. “Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.The universe didn't need a God to begin; it was quite capable of launching its existence on its own," says reknowned physicist Stephen Hawking Hawking explains in his new book, The Grand Design.

“It is not necessary to invoke God to set the universe going." In his famous 1988 book, A Brief History of Time, Hawking did not dismiss the possibility that God may have played some role in creation. But earlier this summer he said in an interview that he does not believe in a "personal" God, reported Great Britain's Telegraph. "The question is: is the way the universe began chosen by God for reasons we can't understand, or was it determined by a law of science? I believe the second," he explained. "If you like, you can call the laws of science 'God,' but it wouldn't be a personal God that you could meet, and ask questions."

Casey Kazan

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http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-stephen-hawking-20100905,0,2573263.story

 

Now, even Hawkins believes in spontaneous creation, but he doesn't credit God for it rather than laws themselves. An atheist like him crediting absolute nothing for something, how is that possible?

I guess there's some of us who will believe that there was someone that existed for eternity that made this something that we call universe. Others will credit the "nothing" and say things begin to exist just because.
I will chose to believe in the first one, although I don't follow any set religion, but I do believe in the creator, in the initial force that let everything else be, otherwise I would be believing that out of nothin,g something can be made, which is absurd.



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vlad321 on 05 May 2011
trestres said:
vlad321 said:
trestres said:
vlad321 said:


Further proof you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Infinite matter? It is widely believed that there is a finite amount of matter in the universe.

Why would an arbitrary amount of matter exist in a singular point? Why instead of the amount you say it wasn't 2 kilograms? All would give infinite density for a singular dimensionless point. Still, tell me how would you fit matter, which has dimensions into a dimensionless point?

I don't know, but are you aware of black holes? Do you know that they are also a singularity?

Yes, I am aware. They are a different singularity and they have a lifespan after which they disappear. I know science cannot explain how they are formed, and will probably never be able to, much less be able to explain the big bang.

And black holes are formed by matte existing in our universe. How was that singular point formed before there was anything? Why did it stop being a singularity?

They do have a lifespan, however do you even know exactly what hawking radiation is before you bring it up? Because let me tell you, if you knew you would probably be yelling "false false false."

I hoenstly can't stop laughing at your sheer ignorance, and persistance to seem like you actually know something. THat said, maybe YOU don't know how black holes are formed, but trust me others have some pretty good ideas. I ask you to stop now because evry time you post you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

Honestly, if we had this discussion about 1000 years ago you would be asking the following questions: "How is the earth not flat? How can it be round? Why does the Earth revolve around the sun and not vice versa?" All in all, it is just laughable. Let me give you some advice:

"It is better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

It's a little past that point, but there is still plenty of space left for you to say more ignorant things. Then again, if you continue I won't be bothered since you are very entertaining.



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GameOver22 on 05 May 2011
trestres said:
September 03, 2010 "The Universe Exists Because of Spontaneous Creation" -Stephen Hawking

In "The Grand Design," Stephen Hawking and Caltech physicist Leonard Mlodinow suggest that physics and metaphysics (and religion) are merging. The grand design which we have taken for granted since Newton is more complex than anything we ever dreamed of. Models of the universe are changing radically. Many physicists doublt the reality of a Big Bang. We live in a world in which many physicists have come to believe there are not merely three dimensions plus time, but 10, or possibly 11 -a new world view world that encompasses that includes black holes, supermassive black holes, galaxy-mass black holes, dark matter, dark energy , string theory, M-theory, alternate pasts and alternate futures. 

p { clear: none ! important; } "The universe began with the Big Bang, which simply followed the inevitable law of physics," Hawking writes. “Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.The universe didn't need a God to begin; it was quite capable of launching its existence on its own," says reknowned physicist Stephen Hawking Hawking explains in his new book, The Grand Design.

“It is not necessary to invoke God to set the universe going." In his famous 1988 book, A Brief History of Time, Hawking did not dismiss the possibility that God may have played some role in creation. But earlier this summer he said in an interview that he does not believe in a "personal" God, reported Great Britain's Telegraph. "The question is: is the way the universe began chosen by God for reasons we can't understand, or was it determined by a law of science? I believe the second," he explained. "If you like, you can call the laws of science 'God,' but it wouldn't be a personal God that you could meet, and ask questions."

Casey Kazan

Source:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-stephen-hawking-20100905,0,2573263.story

 

Now, even Hawkins believes in spontaneous creation, but he doesn't credit God for it rather than laws themselves. An atheist like him crediting absolute nothing for something, how is that possible?

I guess there's some of us who will believe that there was someone that existed for eternity that made this something that we call universe. Others will credit the "nothing" and say things begin to exist just because.
I will chose to believe in the first one, although I don't follow any set religion, but I do believe in the creator, in the initial force that let everything else be, otherwise I would be believing that out of nothin,g something can be made, which is absurd.

That is really the point of that phrase, "In the beginning, there was nothing. Which exploded." Its just taking a shot at the claim that something can from nothing. The debate really comes down to which claim is more reasonable: 1.) whether some physical thing can exist uncaused, 2.) whether some physical thing can exist for eternity, 3.) whether something non-physical (God) can exist for eternity. The real problem with this dilemna is that none of the choices are necessarily false. All the options are possible, and it really comes down to which one is more likely. The problem at this point is that we don't have any realistic way to assign probability functions to the options (making it difficult to determine which one is more likely). This is one reason why I admit that both sides have good arguments, but its unlikely that the debate will ever be settled definitively.



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spenderzz on 06 May 2011
GameOver22 said:

That is really the point of that phrase, "In the beginning, there was nothing. Which exploded." Its just taking a shot at the claim that something can from nothing. The debate really comes down to which claim is more reasonable: 1.) whether some physical thing can exist uncaused, 2.) whether some physical thing can exist for eternity, 3.) whether something non-physical (God) can exist for eternity. The real problem with this dilemna is that none of the choices are necessarily false. All the options are possible, and it really comes down to which one is more likely. The problem at this point is that we don't have any realistic way to assign probability functions to the options (making it difficult to determine which one is more likely). This is one reason why I admit that both sides have good arguments, but its unlikely that the debate will ever be settled definitively.


Basically, you either believe that matter has always been here and always will be, or that God has always been here and always will be.  Considering that I am pounding on matter to type this post, and God is AWOL, it seems pretty straightforward which is the more likely.



trestres on 06 May 2011
vlad321 said:
trestres said:
vlad321 said:
trestres said:
vlad321 said:


Further proof you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Infinite matter? It is widely believed that there is a finite amount of matter in the universe.

Why would an arbitrary amount of matter exist in a singular point? Why instead of the amount you say it wasn't 2 kilograms? All would give infinite density for a singular dimensionless point. Still, tell me how would you fit matter, which has dimensions into a dimensionless point?

I don't know, but are you aware of black holes? Do you know that they are also a singularity?

Yes, I am aware. They are a different singularity and they have a lifespan after which they disappear. I know science cannot explain how they are formed, and will probably never be able to, much less be able to explain the big bang.

And black holes are formed by matte existing in our universe. How was that singular point formed before there was anything? Why did it stop being a singularity?

They do have a lifespan, however do you even know exactly what hawking radiation is before you bring it up? Because let me tell you, if you knew you would probably be yelling "false false false."

I hoenstly can't stop laughing at your sheer ignorance, and persistance to seem like you actually know something. THat said, maybe YOU don't know how black holes are formed, but trust me others have some pretty good ideas. I ask you to stop now because evry time you post you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

Honestly, if we had this discussion about 1000 years ago you would be asking the following questions: "How is the earth not flat? How can it be round? Why does the Earth revolve around the sun and not vice versa?" All in all, it is just laughable. Let me give you some advice:

"It is better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

It's a little past that point, but there is still plenty of space left for you to say more ignorant things. Then again, if you continue I won't be bothered since you are very entertaining.


Keep on laughing. Like I care. Seriously, you know nothing and pretend to know everything. I will keep on talking, you can laugh if you want, no one cares. Your inner life must be pretty empty if you need to go over the internet pretending to be someone, when in reality you are probably getting let aside. Your disrespect, intolerance, pride, are all nauseous. Give me all the answers, tell me how the universe came to be.

Answer the questions. Ideas, theories. You resort to beliefs, ideas, theories, but not to facts, yet have the balls to tell others that their religion is a fairy tale. You are no less guilty of believing in fairy tales. Tell me what's inside a black hole. Tell me what happens to matter once it crosses the event horizon. Do you think science will ever know? Don't fool yourself. Have some respect for your ownself and actually accept you know nothing, be humble. Be respectful. Behave like a human and not like a soulless entity. I'm actually sorry for you now.



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trestres on 06 May 2011
spenderzz said:
GameOver22 said:

That is really the point of that phrase, "In the beginning, there was nothing. Which exploded." Its just taking a shot at the claim that something can from nothing. The debate really comes down to which claim is more reasonable: 1.) whether some physical thing can exist uncaused, 2.) whether some physical thing can exist for eternity, 3.) whether something non-physical (God) can exist for eternity. The real problem with this dilemna is that none of the choices are necessarily false. All the options are possible, and it really comes down to which one is more likely. The problem at this point is that we don't have any realistic way to assign probability functions to the options (making it difficult to determine which one is more likely). This is one reason why I admit that both sides have good arguments, but its unlikely that the debate will ever be settled definitively.


Basically, you either believe that matter has always been here and always will be, or that God has always been here and always will be.  Considering that I am pounding on matter to type this post, and God is AWOL, it seems pretty straightforward which is the more likely.

Time and space have a beginning according to science. Matter has a beginning as well. It couldn't have been there forever. It either appeared out of nothing or was created, that's what Hawking is saying.



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sapphi_snake on 06 May 2011
Hynad said:

That would be funny, except that's not what Atheism says. Actually, Atheism doesn't say anything about how the world was created, the whole point of Atheism is the lack of belief in an "ultimate being".



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trestres on 06 May 2011
vlad321 said:
trestres said:
vlad321 said:
trestres said:
Hynad said:
Scoobes said:
Hynad said:

They both sound stupid...

And the atheist one isn't actually accurate, it's meant to be expansion from a singular point rather then nothing that "exploded".


But, but, but...  Where did the mass of this "singular point" come from?

Exactly, a singular point is dimensionless and massless.

Do you even know what the hell you are talking about? Massless? It was a singular point with the mass of the entire universe. In fact its density is infinite.


Yeah my bad, anyways how do you fit infinite matter in a finite space? I'm sure you know all the answers to the universe, and then some.


Further proof you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Infinite matter? It is widely believed that there is a finite amount of matter in the universe.


Here, let me highlight the hypocrisy. Can't be proven by facts, yet you take beliefs as facts and then lecture people about how wrong their beliefs are.



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