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Scoobes said:
Hynad said:

They both sound stupid...

And the atheist one isn't actually accurate, it's meant to be expansion from a singular point rather then nothing that "exploded".


Where did the mass of this "singular point" come from?



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Hynad said:
Scoobes said:
Hynad said:

They both sound stupid...

And the atheist one isn't actually accurate, it's meant to be expansion from a singular point rather then nothing that "exploded".


But, but, but...  Where did the mass of this "singular point" come from?

Exactly, a singular point is dimensionless and massless.



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DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:

Problem is what you don`t consider as proof other people do, that`s why you are making such statement. I don`t know about your religion(s), but in mine there is proof, just not what people want to accept, because to these people seeing is believing.
Making something without proof does equal nothing. But only what you created.



I didn`t say anything about being right, i said about being in the right path, it`s different. Someone saying they fell they are on the right path it`s different than saying they are right. Everyone who follows a religion will say they are on the right path. Should we be offended by that? No. They are just saying something about them and not making personnal judgments about others. It`s when they do that and call people names, that they cross the line.


What a coincidence! My religion also has proof, it is also based solely on spiritual proof. However, seeing as your spiritual proof and mine are at odds and equally "valid" we both end up being wrong.

That is what I am saying, I am on the right path to being one with CB. I am saying something about me. My religion is doing the talking and blaming Mary of being a liar. In the end, you say there is no reason for you to be offended by me saying I am on the right path, yet you are.

Solely based on spiritual proof? I didn`t say that aswell. How do you know both spiritual proofs are at odds? How do you reach such statement? Do you have absolute knowledge to say such a thing?
Still, being equally wrong is your way of seeing things through rational eyes. As i said before, reality doesn`t confine to reason, so in the end we will the truth.

I didn`t get offended by you saying you are on the right path, i said it not right to offend someone and even if your religion says is ok to do it, nothing´s stopping you from respecting other people`s feelings. Because that`s being tolerant and respectful.
And as you said, creating a situation just to force a situation doesn´t seem fair, does it?

You can say whatever is that your religion says, still, that doesn`t stop you from not saying something when you know it`s gonna offend someone else.

Because my spiritual belief is in complete contradiction of your spiritual belief. I don't see what's not to understand here....

Even I can't figure out how you just rationalized it in your head that it is fine for me to claim I am on the right path and therefore insult you, yet you are not fine with it. Let me put it in another way. When you claim you are on the right path, I am insulted because you are claiming that Mary is a virgin. I find it insulting that Mary is a virgin. Therefore you are not allowed to say you are on the right path, because I would find it insulting.


I misunderstood the "at odds" comment. I was actually coming back to correct it.
As i said before being valid does not equal wrong or right. You have to prove something wrong or right. But no one ever will through reason alone.

When you say you feel you are on the right path, that`s not insulting. When you call people names that`s insulting, even if your religion says it is right doesn`t mean other religions will see it that way.
If you choose to find it insulting so be it, there`s no reason to keep talking.

Honestly i don`t see why you are making up arguments just for the sake of it. Are trying to establish a place where you can say what you want without repercussions of any kind? Does it seem good or honest to you? you were the one who started by saying you were making things up.

You, saying such things, i don`t really see the point of it.

Nor will they be able to prove anything right or wrong using spirituality. In the end the whole "let's wait and see" is asking for observable evidence. Even religious people can't prove themselves right without relying on observable evidence. That's my whole point.

"If you choose to find it insulting so be it, there`s no reason to keep talking."

I am "making up" my argument about as much as you are "making up" your argument for your religion. The point is that the way you define insults is lauighably hypocritical. You say that it is fine to say someone is on the right path. That however may mean that something someone else finds insulting is correct and basically insult that someone. ONe of the things in this case can't happen. Either the person getting insulted shouldn't be insulted and jsut find a new belief, or there shuold be heavy censors on people not expressing their beliefs in the off chance they insult someone. I generally stick with the former.



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trestres said:
Hynad said:
Scoobes said:
Hynad said:

They both sound stupid...

And the atheist one isn't actually accurate, it's meant to be expansion from a singular point rather then nothing that "exploded".


But, but, but...  Where did the mass of this "singular point" come from?

Exactly, a singular point is dimensionless and massless.

Do you even know what the hell you are talking about? Massless? It was a singular point with the mass of the entire universe. In fact its density is infinite.



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vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:


I misunderstood the "at odds" comment. I was actually coming back to correct it.
As i said before being valid does not equal wrong or right. You have to prove something wrong or right. But no one ever will through reason alone.

When you say you feel you are on the right path, that`s not insulting. When you call people names that`s insulting, even if your religion says it is right doesn`t mean other religions will see it that way.
If you choose to find it insulting so be it, there`s no reason to keep talking.

Honestly i don`t see why you are making up arguments just for the sake of it. Are trying to establish a place where you can say what you want without repercussions of any kind? Does it seem good or honest to you? you were the one who started by saying you were making things up.

You, saying such things, i don`t really see the point of it.

Nor will they be able to prove anything right or wrong using spirituality. In the end the whole "let's wait and see" is asking for observable evidence. Even religious people can't prove themselves right without relying on observable evidence. That's my whole point.

"If you choose to find it insulting so be it, there`s no reason to keep talking."

I am "making up" my argument about as much as you are "making up" your argument for your religion. The point is that the way you define insults is lauighably hypocritical. You say that it is fine to say someone is on the right path. That however may mean that something someone else finds insulting is correct and basically insult that someone. ONe of the things in this case can't happen. Either the person getting insulted shouldn't be insulted and jsut find a new belief, or there shuold be heavy censors on people not expressing their beliefs in the off chance they insult someone. I generally stick with the former.

No, the let`s wait and see it`s not for those who faith as they already know that there´s something.
No one can prove absolutely something, it`s not on our capabilities. The difference is that with faith we know there is something. Being able to show it is another thing.
"Even religious people can't prove themselves right without relying on observable evidence"
That`s because to us there is proof outside us.

In the end it`s up to everyone to read into it and make their conclusions, so to speak.

I am making up arguments? That`s your assumption. I didn´t make up anything nor have i said such a thing.
You were the one making up things, not me. So no, we are not in the same situation.
Saying "i feel i am on the right path" means only that.
Religions don`t see eye to eye, so of course, there will be cases where what one say will be in contradiction with what something other religions say and some time very important things. Does that mean there isn´t a way of expressing yourself without being offensive? There is. But calling someone names, sure isn`t.
If there`s dialogue between religions it`s because people can expose their beliefs whilst respecting others and that means avoiding saying something offensive like She is this and He is that.
There isn`t just one way to say things.


Please don`t tell me that calling someone names is ok or justifiable?



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vlad321 said:
trestres said:
Hynad said:
Scoobes said:
Hynad said:

They both sound stupid...

And the atheist one isn't actually accurate, it's meant to be expansion from a singular point rather then nothing that "exploded".


But, but, but...  Where did the mass of this "singular point" come from?

Exactly, a singular point is dimensionless and massless.

Do you even know what the hell you are talking about? Massless? It was a singular point with the mass of the entire universe. In fact its density is infinite.

Do you know?  The "Big Bang" happened everywhere at once.  As hard as it is for most to picture in their mind, the theory isn't about some fireworks type explosion, with matter expanding from a common center.  ¬_¬



DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
 


I misunderstood the "at odds" comment. I was actually coming back to correct it.
As i said before being valid does not equal wrong or right. You have to prove something wrong or right. But no one ever will through reason alone.

When you say you feel you are on the right path, that`s not insulting. When you call people names that`s insulting, even if your religion says it is right doesn`t mean other religions will see it that way.
If you choose to find it insulting so be it, there`s no reason to keep talking.

Honestly i don`t see why you are making up arguments just for the sake of it. Are trying to establish a place where you can say what you want without repercussions of any kind? Does it seem good or honest to you? you were the one who started by saying you were making things up.

You, saying such things, i don`t really see the point of it.

Nor will they be able to prove anything right or wrong using spirituality. In the end the whole "let's wait and see" is asking for observable evidence. Even religious people can't prove themselves right without relying on observable evidence. That's my whole point.

"If you choose to find it insulting so be it, there`s no reason to keep talking."

I am "making up" my argument about as much as you are "making up" your argument for your religion. The point is that the way you define insults is lauighably hypocritical. You say that it is fine to say someone is on the right path. That however may mean that something someone else finds insulting is correct and basically insult that someone. ONe of the things in this case can't happen. Either the person getting insulted shouldn't be insulted and jsut find a new belief, or there shuold be heavy censors on people not expressing their beliefs in the off chance they insult someone. I generally stick with the former.

No, the let`s wait and see it`s not for those who faith as they already know that there´s something.
No one can prove absolutely something, it`s not on our capabilities. The difference is that with faith we know there is something. Being able to show it is another thing.
"Even religious people can't prove themselves right without relying on observable evidence"
That`s because to us there is proof outside us.

In the end it`s up to everyone to read into it and make their conclusions, so to speak.

I am making up arguments? That`s your assumption. I didn´t make up anything nor have i said such a thing.
You were the one making up things, not me. So no, we are not in the same situation.
Saying "i feel i am on the right path" means only that.
Religions don`t see eye to eye, so of course, there will be cases where what one say will be in contradiction with what something other religions say and some time very important things. Does that mean there isn´t a way of expressing yourself without being offensive? There is. But calling someone names, sure isn`t.
If there`s dialogue between religions it`s because people can expose their beliefs whilst respecting others and that means avoiding saying something offensive like She is this and He is that.
There isn`t just one way to say things.


Please don`t tell me that calling someone names is ok or justifiable?

But I do have faith, and I do KNOW that CB is true, and therefore your god isn't. I know it in my very being. The only response you have to this is "let's wait and see what is true" which means there is a need for observable evidence to act as an arbitator.

You are right, maybe she isn't a whore, I am sorry. However, I don't see how "adulterer and liar" can be considered "calling someone names." What other words would you use to describe someone who cheats on their spouse and lies about it which wouldn't insult you? Furthermore, I find it insulting that you claim Mary is a virgin just as you find it insulting I claim she is an adulterer and a liar. In fact almost any claim you make for your belief, my religion finds wrong and I find it insulting, and vice versa.



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vlad321 said:
trestres said:
Hynad said:
Scoobes said:
Hynad said:

They both sound stupid...

And the atheist one isn't actually accurate, it's meant to be expansion from a singular point rather then nothing that "exploded".


But, but, but...  Where did the mass of this "singular point" come from?

Exactly, a singular point is dimensionless and massless.

Do you even know what the hell you are talking about? Massless? It was a singular point with the mass of the entire universe. In fact its density is infinite.


Yeah my bad, anyways how do you fit infinite matter in a finite space? I'm sure you know all the answers to the universe, and then some.



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trestres said:
vlad321 said:
trestres said:
Hynad said:
Scoobes said:
Hynad said:

They both sound stupid...

And the atheist one isn't actually accurate, it's meant to be expansion from a singular point rather then nothing that "exploded".


But, but, but...  Where did the mass of this "singular point" come from?

Exactly, a singular point is dimensionless and massless.

Do you even know what the hell you are talking about? Massless? It was a singular point with the mass of the entire universe. In fact its density is infinite.


Yeah my bad, anyways how do you fit infinite matter in a finite space? I'm sure you know all the answers to the universe, and then some.


Further proof you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Infinite matter? It is widely believed that there is a finite amount of matter in the universe.



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vlad321 said:
trestres said:
vlad321 said:
trestres said:
Hynad said:
Scoobes said:
Hynad said:

They both sound stupid...

And the atheist one isn't actually accurate, it's meant to be expansion from a singular point rather then nothing that "exploded".


But, but, but...  Where did the mass of this "singular point" come from?

Exactly, a singular point is dimensionless and massless.

Do you even know what the hell you are talking about? Massless? It was a singular point with the mass of the entire universe. In fact its density is infinite.


Yeah my bad, anyways how do you fit infinite matter in a finite space? I'm sure you know all the answers to the universe, and then some.


Further proof you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Infinite matter? It is widely believed that there is a finite amount of matter in the universe.

Why would an arbitrary amount of matter exist in a singular point? Why instead of the amount you say it wasn't 2 kilograms? All would give infinite density for a singular dimensionless point. Still, tell me how would you fit matter, which has dimensions into a dimensionless point?



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