DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:
I misunderstood the "at odds" comment. I was actually coming back to correct it.
As i said before being valid does not equal wrong or right. You have to prove something wrong or right. But no one ever will through reason alone.
When you say you feel you are on the right path, that`s not insulting. When you call people names that`s insulting, even if your religion says it is right doesn`t mean other religions will see it that way.
If you choose to find it insulting so be it, there`s no reason to keep talking.
Honestly i don`t see why you are making up arguments just for the sake of it. Are trying to establish a place where you can say what you want without repercussions of any kind? Does it seem good or honest to you? you were the one who started by saying you were making things up.
You, saying such things, i don`t really see the point of it.
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Nor will they be able to prove anything right or wrong using spirituality. In the end the whole "let's wait and see" is asking for observable evidence. Even religious people can't prove themselves right without relying on observable evidence. That's my whole point.
"If you choose to find it insulting so be it, there`s no reason to keep talking."
I am "making up" my argument about as much as you are "making up" your argument for your religion. The point is that the way you define insults is lauighably hypocritical. You say that it is fine to say someone is on the right path. That however may mean that something someone else finds insulting is correct and basically insult that someone. ONe of the things in this case can't happen. Either the person getting insulted shouldn't be insulted and jsut find a new belief, or there shuold be heavy censors on people not expressing their beliefs in the off chance they insult someone. I generally stick with the former.
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No, the let`s wait and see it`s not for those who faith as they already know that there´s something.
No one can prove absolutely something, it`s not on our capabilities. The difference is that with faith we know there is something. Being able to show it is another thing.
"Even religious people can't prove themselves right without relying on observable evidence"
That`s because to us there is proof outside us.
In the end it`s up to everyone to read into it and make their conclusions, so to speak.
I am making up arguments? That`s your assumption. I didn´t make up anything nor have i said such a thing.
You were the one making up things, not me. So no, we are not in the same situation.
Saying "i feel i am on the right path" means only that.
Religions don`t see eye to eye, so of course, there will be cases where what one say will be in contradiction with what something other religions say and some time very important things. Does that mean there isn´t a way of expressing yourself without being offensive? There is. But calling someone names, sure isn`t.
If there`s dialogue between religions it`s because people can expose their beliefs whilst respecting others and that means avoiding saying something offensive like She is this and He is that.
There isn`t just one way to say things.
Please don`t tell me that calling someone names is ok or justifiable?
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But I do have faith, and I do KNOW that CB is true, and therefore your god isn't. I know it in my very being. The only response you have to this is "let's wait and see what is true" which means there is a need for observable evidence to act as an arbitator.
You are right, maybe she isn't a whore, I am sorry. However, I don't see how "adulterer and liar" can be considered "calling someone names." What other words would you use to describe someone who cheats on their spouse and lies about it which wouldn't insult you? Furthermore, I find it insulting that you claim Mary is a virgin just as you find it insulting I claim she is an adulterer and a liar. In fact almost any claim you make for your belief, my religion finds wrong and I find it insulting, and vice versa.
