1. Because the truth is that either you accept or not.
I said people would go to hell because of ignorance? I never said that. What more proff do you want than what`s written in the Bible, all the apparitions and miracles?

I said that as there is only two ways: good/wrong; life/death, etc.
3rd option? People go to hell because they went against Him, so it`s a punishment and that`s as good reason as the reward for being good going to heaven.
Not following a rule in society gets you the same consequence. It`s not just not doing it, it`s deliberately opposing to it.

2. You just don`t want to accept that you are fully responsible for what you do. Only you. As i said before and you ignore. God gives us freedom and everything that goes with it. Every time you decide something it`s your doing.
When the day comes and you didn`t control your actions then no, you won`t be responsible for them, but when you can do.
I kill, therefore It´s God`s fault for letting me have freedom. Now that`s being sincere to yourself.

3. You asked me if people sin. I just said yes, in a different way.
Are you mad or something?
But is this the point: no matter how much i live life i ended up sinning, therefore it`s God`s fault that i sin?
Right, let`s ignore once again that i made the decisions.
You know that there`s a difference between necessary and possible? I had the chance to make good when i did bad, you know?


All these posts amount to only one thing: have we free will? If you say yes then all that you do is your doing and your consequences to be acountable for. If you are not, don`t blame the next guy that hurts in any way as he is not free to do anything different.

Is there really the need to say such things?

Say what? The most probable reason to a situation when there are over a billion people who believe in a reason that has absolutely zero evidence to back it up? Sorry, I just call it as I see it. I do have to admit, Mary was very cunning to play that part out so well. Credit where credit is due.

Cunning? You say that with absolutely no basis. No, you don`t call it as you see, you call it as you think.
And no insults please. That`s all i ask.

I call it as I see it. Women were heavily reprimanded back in those days for adultery. In some places there was even stoning, but maybe not in this particualr region. Furthermore, it is known that it takes a man to fuck a woman to cenceive another being, at least up until 50 or so years ago when alternate methods came about. Now given those 2 facts, I use my reasoing skills to realize 2 things:

a) she didn't just end up being pregnant without fucking a man,

b) she realized that she is very much fucked (metaphorically) since the child isn't her husbands

c) a person will go through great lengths to survive.

Meanwhile, there is 0 evidence for any god at all, none, zero, zilch, zip, etc. As I said, I call it as I see it, and all i see is a woman who committed adultery and very successfully lied her way out of it. I wonder if she realized where that lie would lead to down the road. This is also the definition of cunning: "Having or showing skill in achieving one's ends by deceit or evasion." In this case, her ends were to not get punished, and she achievemed it marvelously.

By the way, the old and new testaments are FULL of these laughable holes. For instance, I bet you anything that Moses marched up that mountain with a chisel and a mallet in his clothes than god actually inscribing anything. Given the problems his followers had at the time, the moves was a GENIOUS leadership move. There are many, many, more cases where for some reason people are too unreasonable to see the simplest reasons, instead they see what they want to see.

Nobody is asking you to believe anything.
Please use at least two things on your arguments: tolerance and respect.

I am very tolerant and very respectful towards people who deserve it. People who refuse to believe in the most reasonable explanations are slightly less deserving of both than people who are smart enough to reason through some things. If you believe in god, good for you. If you are extremely lucky, he may even actually exist. Then it's even better for you. However when someone claims that there was a virgin brith, given overwhelming evidence that such a thing can't happen, then it is just downright retarded and stupid. Idiocy is not deserving of respect or tolerance. In fact, a huge problem with the world is that people respect and tolerate idiots too much.

Edit: There is a parallel in science to this as well. Theoretically speaking, when you throw an object at another object there is a small chance that they will go through each other. For example, a ball through a wall, a person through a floor, a car through another car. However you do not see anyone trying this stuff out because it wouldbe simply retarded. If they do however, I hope they try the car crash so then they don't reproduce any more idiots into society.

Are you hearing yourself? Do you understand the concepts of tolerance and respect?
Don´t you mean see the word as you do? So if people see the world as you do, they are smart, if they don`t they are stupid? And after that you call yourself tolerant and respectful. The one thing you tolerate and respect is yourself.

There`s no need to repeat myself more than this: please, even if you don`t see it eye to eye, respect and be tolerant. That`s a request as much as it`s an advice, honestly.

You obviously don't understand what I am saying. If you just simple hink there is a god, the great. I don't know whether there is a god or not, and I don't think it's particularly smart to think there is a god (or if you have been following, I don't think any particular theory of existance is correct), but again believe what you want to believe. Those people don't see the world the way I do, and they receive plenty of respect and tolerance from me. So yes, I am very much tolerant and respectful towards people who believe in god. It's when people go overboard into the ralm of idiocy when they lose all credibility, and there fore respect and tolerance. Respect and Tolerence are a privilage that every human gets by default, however it can be lost very, VERY, easily, and believing in downright stupid explanations is one of them. By the way, I even gave you an edit of how scientific people can be downright stupid too, so you don't feel like I single out just the religious people. I single out idiots, no matter what their belief is.

Blind tolerance and respect is like blind faith, downright damaging and in itself stupid.

Furthermore, if your girlfriend comes to you pregnant when you haven't had sex with you and she says "this is god's child." Will you believe her?

You respect religions or religious people as long as they are smart?
"People who refuse to believe in the most reasonable explanations are slightly less deserving of both than people who are smart enough to reason through some things"

You don`t have my view of the world and i don`t care how far out is yours or how far out it can be. I respect YOU. and that`s what you didn`t do. "they receive plenty of respect and tolerance from me. So yes, I am very much tolerant and respectful towards people who believe in god" and then you go insulting Mary?

In the end all that you show is that, through your judgment of their explanations being they way you like it or not, you respect them. You should respect them first and foremost. You don`t like what you are hearing? No one ever likes what they hear one time or another. Should we go one calling people names and insulting what they believe, just becasue of that?