Final-Fan said:
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Why do you say "reject"? Why can't they just not be convinced that God actually exists? According to you, people are going to hell all the time for simple ignorance. Surely a loving God would provide some more convincing evidence if the price of not being convinced was eternal damnation.
And why couldn't there be a third option? Why couldn't God just make a third option? I defy you to give me a real reason, that positive/negative stuff is just bullshit. I mean, be or not be? What is that even supposed to mean?
2.
Your post is half nonsense and half wrong. If I make a clay pot with a big fucking crack in it, and the pot leaks, is it my fault? No, it's the pot's! If god KNEW that making the universe this way would end up with all this death and cruelty, and he KNEW how to make it differently but chose not to, and made it this way, he is indirectly RESPONSIBLE for the results.
OK, you don't like the "parents raise an SK" example? Well what if some guy was donating to a sperm bank and he KNEW how the kid would end up, even though he'd have no contact with him for his entire life from the fertilization of the egg, and the kid would turn out to be a serial killer and the guy did nothing and still chose to donate the sperm?
Or, let's say there would be 5 kids from one donation, and 3 of the others were pretty nice and one of them even cured cancer. That would be worth the price of the serial killer right? Well that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve blame for the serial killer just as he deserves credit for the cancer cure.
I don't know how you guys can praise God for everything good that people do, and deny that he bears any blame for the bad that people do, all with a straight face. Well, I guess I do: doublethink.
3.
Because there is one?? One what? This part of your post is complete unadulterated nonsense and I conclude that you have no answer to my point, if you even understood it. If you are interested in continuing this, please consider how point 3 relates to my earlier point 3 and your answer to it; otherwise, you can just drop this one.
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1. Because the truth is that either you accept or not.
I said people would go to hell because of ignorance? I never said that. What more proff do you want than what`s written in the Bible, all the apparitions and miracles?
I said that as there is only two ways: good/wrong; life/death, etc.
3rd option? People go to hell because they went against Him, so it`s a punishment and that`s as good reason as the reward for being good going to heaven.
Not following a rule in society gets you the same consequence. It`s not just not doing it, it`s deliberately opposing to it.
2. You just don`t want to accept that you are fully responsible for what you do. Only you. As i said before and you ignore. God gives us freedom and everything that goes with it. Every time you decide something it`s your doing.
When the day comes and you didn`t control your actions then no, you won`t be responsible for them, but when you can do.
I kill, therefore It´s God`s fault for letting me have freedom. Now that`s being sincere to yourself.
3. You asked me if people sin. I just said yes, in a different way.
Are you mad or something?
But is this the point: no matter how much i live life i ended up sinning, therefore it`s God`s fault that i sin?
Right, let`s ignore once again that i made the decisions.
You know that there`s a difference between necessary and possible? I had the chance to make good when i did bad, you know?
All these posts amount to only one thing: have we free will? If you say yes then all that you do is your doing and your consequences to be acountable for. If you are not, don`t blame the next guy that hurts in any way as he is not free to do anything different.
