DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
Say what? The most probable reason to a situation when there are over a billion people who believe in a reason that has absolutely zero evidence to back it up? Sorry, I just call it as I see it. I do have to admit, Mary was very cunning to play that part out so well. Credit where credit is due.
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Cunning? You say that with absolutely no basis. No, you don`t call it as you see, you call it as you think.
And no insults please. That`s all i ask.
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I call it as I see it. Women were heavily reprimanded back in those days for adultery. In some places there was even stoning, but maybe not in this particualr region. Furthermore, it is known that it takes a man to fuck a woman to cenceive another being, at least up until 50 or so years ago when alternate methods came about. Now given those 2 facts, I use my reasoing skills to realize 2 things:
a) she didn't just end up being pregnant without fucking a man,
b) she realized that she is very much fucked (metaphorically) since the child isn't her husbands
c) a person will go through great lengths to survive.
Meanwhile, there is 0 evidence for any god at all, none, zero, zilch, zip, etc. As I said, I call it as I see it, and all i see is a woman who committed adultery and very successfully lied her way out of it. I wonder if she realized where that lie would lead to down the road. This is also the definition of cunning: "Having or showing skill in achieving one's ends by deceit or evasion." In this case, her ends were to not get punished, and she achievemed it marvelously.
By the way, the old and new testaments are FULL of these laughable holes. For instance, I bet you anything that Moses marched up that mountain with a chisel and a mallet in his clothes than god actually inscribing anything. Given the problems his followers had at the time, the moves was a GENIOUS leadership move. There are many, many, more cases where for some reason people are too unreasonable to see the simplest reasons, instead they see what they want to see.
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Nobody is asking you to believe anything.
Please use at least two things on your arguments: tolerance and respect.
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I am very tolerant and very respectful towards people who deserve it. People who refuse to believe in the most reasonable explanations are slightly less deserving of both than people who are smart enough to reason through some things. If you believe in god, good for you. If you are extremely lucky, he may even actually exist. Then it's even better for you. However when someone claims that there was a virgin brith, given overwhelming evidence that such a thing can't happen, then it is just downright retarded and stupid. Idiocy is not deserving of respect or tolerance. In fact, a huge problem with the world is that people respect and tolerate idiots too much.
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Are you hearing yourself? Do you understand the concepts of tolerance and respect?
Don´t you mean see the word as you do? So if people see the world as you do, they are smart, if they don`t they are stupid? And after that you call yourself tolerant and respectful. The one thing you tolerate and respect is yourself.
There`s no need to repeat myself more than this: please, even if you don`t see it eye to eye, respect and be tolerant. That`s a request as much as it`s an advice, honestly.
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You obviously don't understand what I am saying. If you just simple hink there is a god, the great. I don't know whether there is a god or not, and I don't think it's particularly smart to think there is a god (or if you have been following, I don't think any particular theory of existance is correct), but again believe what you want to believe. Those people don't see the world the way I do, and they receive plenty of respect and tolerance from me. So yes, I am very much tolerant and respectful towards people who believe in god. It's when people go overboard into the ralm of idiocy when they lose all credibility, and there fore respect and tolerance. Respect and Tolerence are a privilage that every human gets by default, however it can be lost very, VERY, easily, and believing in downright stupid explanations is one of them. By the way, I even gave you an edit of how scientific people can be downright stupid too, so you don't feel like I single out just the religious people. I single out idiots, no matter what their belief is.
Blind tolerance and respect is like blind faith, downright damaging and in itself stupid.
Furthermore, if your girlfriend comes to you pregnant when you haven't had sex with you and she says "this is god's child." Will you believe her?
