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hatmoza on 21 April 2011
RolStoppable said:

If with "show", you mean gameplay footage, yes.


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Pavolink on 21 April 2011
RolStoppable said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
RolStoppable said:

If with "show", you mean gameplay footage, yes.

No, I mean information and announcements in general. As in I don't think any concrete information on the next system is likely this year. But we will see plenty about the Motion Plus games they are making.

They are going to have Skyward Sword and Kirby HAL,  plus one that doesn't support Motion Plus. Aside from that we are going to see known stuff like Xenoblade and The Last Story. That's going to be it.

And that's an optimistic outlook.

Plus Night of the Sacrifice, Project Zero and Pandora's Tower in Japan. SS, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Kirby and 3DS games are enough for this year.



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LordTheNightKnight on 21 April 2011
kitler53 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
kitler53 said:

well let me try and curb this discussion back to being on topic.

yes i agree, nintendo should absolutlely show more motion plus games.  the part i'm angry about is that motion plus was released june 2009 and we are now discussing about what nintendo should announce E3 2011.  after two years - wii sports resort and fling smash is a very very disappointed effort on nintendos part.

your thread is right on the money ... 2 years ago.


Oh, I'm not denying that they should have showed it off sooner. I think they got caught up in hoping Super Mario Galaxy 2 would finally get 3D Mario to get 2D Mario sales, and for Other M to break the series into mainstream, that they lost track of showing off that controller, and since those two games didn't do what they wanted, they need to get back on that direction.

That's not an excuse for them taking so long, just my supposition on why it did.

well i can 100% agree with you and what they should do but frankly, i don't think it is going to go down like that.   i look at the basket of unsupported peripherals nintendo got me to buy and then never support with games and i fully expect nintendo to just throw the entire wii hardware into that basket as well.  my money is on the new hardware taking the spotlight and nintendo dropping support for the wii altogther.  looking at this year's releases it really appears like they already have.


Again, I bring up that gap between now and the release of the next system. Anything later than the end of this year would be long enough to lose momentum needed to keep their customer base, get any new ones if they find another killer app, and keep revenue high.

Coasting is not a financially viable option unless they want to pull a Saturn surprise with the next system. That's why I say they won't do it.



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LordTheNightKnight on 21 April 2011
RolStoppable said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
RolStoppable said:

They are going to have Skyward Sword and one other game, plus one that doesn't support Motion Plus. Aside from that we are going to see known stuff like Xenoblade and The Last Story. That's going to be it.

And that's an optimistic outlook.

Um, are you forgetting how many times a Wii game would get first announced at, or just before E3? Just because they haven't announced them doesn't mean they aren't making or releasing them. Or do you think no Wii game got surprise announcements at or just before E3?.

Again, you are still falling for the coasting fallacy, that assumes they just have a few major games, because those are the only upcoming games we know about.

I don't think they are going to announce more than two new Wii games at this year's E3 and third parties... well, I guess the Wii didn't pass their tests.


Well even if those two are hits, that's enough (especially if one is a follow up to NSMBWii), and still more than they are likely to show about the next system.



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kitler53 on 21 April 2011
LordTheNightKnight said:
kitler53 said:
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well i can 100% agree with you and what they should do but frankly, i don't think it is going to go down like that.   i look at the basket of unsupported peripherals nintendo got me to buy and then never support with games and i fully expect nintendo to just throw the entire wii hardware into that basket as well.  my money is on the new hardware taking the spotlight and nintendo dropping support for the wii altogther.  looking at this year's releases it really appears like they already have.


Again, I bring up that gap between now and the release of the next system. Anything later than the end of this year would be long enough to lose momentum needed to keep their customer base, get any new ones if they find another killer app, and keep revenue high.

Coasting is not a financially viable option unless they want to pull a Saturn surprise with the next system. That's why I say they won't do it.

well, how long may i ask do you think it will be before nintendo releases their next hardware?

to me, this year is not completely how of the question.  although more likely i think it will be basically on the 3DS's one year anniversy.  there are a lot of rumors out there and for the most part you have to be pretty skeptical.  but one of threads (and i can't remember which one) had a quote that was very interesting to me.  something along the lines of ...

"nintendo is working really hard to gather 3rd party support by putting the hardware in front of them already.  and when tell people you get leaks".

match that with the "where there's smoke there's fire" quote via miyamoto and i really think nintendo is getting close to releasing their hardware.  close meaning like around a year from now.   zelda released both the wii/wii2 doesn't sound so ridiculous anymore.



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gumby_trucker on 21 April 2011

from your mouth to god's ears...

They really did drop the ball on motion plus if nothing substantial besides Zelda comes out of it...

edit: I would kill for another wave of quality software like we had in 2010 before the Wii is retired... and by that I don't mean just games we already know about either...

There have been many quotes from Reggie and even Iwata recently stating the importance of software at this point in a console's life, and even going as  far as saying that for Nintendo, hardware serves software, and not the other way around.

If Nintendo all of a sudden shift their attention to the launch of a new platform instead of making good on these statements, I will find it difficult not to feel like I've been mislead as a customer.



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LordTheNightKnight on 21 April 2011
kitler53 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
kitler53 said:
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well i can 100% agree with you and what they should do but frankly, i don't think it is going to go down like that.   i look at the basket of unsupported peripherals nintendo got me to buy and then never support with games and i fully expect nintendo to just throw the entire wii hardware into that basket as well.  my money is on the new hardware taking the spotlight and nintendo dropping support for the wii altogther.  looking at this year's releases it really appears like they already have.


Again, I bring up that gap between now and the release of the next system. Anything later than the end of this year would be long enough to lose momentum needed to keep their customer base, get any new ones if they find another killer app, and keep revenue high.

Coasting is not a financially viable option unless they want to pull a Saturn surprise with the next system. That's why I say they won't do it.

well, how long may i ask do you think it will be before nintendo releases their next hardware?

to me, this year is not completely how of the question.  although more likely i think it will be basically on the 3DS's one year anniversy.  there are a lot of rumors out there and for the most part you have to be pretty skeptical.  but one of threads (and i can't remember which one) had a quote that was very interesting to me.  something along the lines of ...

"nintendo is working really hard to gather 3rd party support by putting the hardware in front of them already.  and when tell people you get leaks".

match that with the "where there's smoke there's fire" quote via miyamoto and i really think nintendo is getting close to releasing their hardware.  close meaning like around a year from now.   zelda released both the wii/wii2 doesn't sound so ridiculous anymore.


Miyamoto's comment only means their next system is actually being made instead of just researched. It doesn't mean the system is about to come out. Again, they have to announce it, and then take time to build up hype and marketing. Even the 3DS anniversary is too soon for that.

So you are assuming Nintendo is going to let the Wii drift based on unreasonable assumptions of when the next system will come out.



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LordTheNightKnight on 21 April 2011
RolStoppable said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
RolStoppable said:

I don't think they are going to announce more than two new Wii games at this year's E3 and third parties... well, I guess the Wii didn't pass their tests.

Well even if those two are hits, that's enough (especially if one is a follow up to NSMBWii), and still more than they are likely to show about the next system.

I would be content with just good games, they don't even need to be hits. Actually, hits would be wasted on the Wii at this stage of its lifecycle. It's not going to give the platform new life.

Super Mario Bros. 6 should be an N6 launch title.


Momentum doesn't have to be "new life". Just that the system needs to keep up so that the next system will have stronger ground.



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Beuli2 on 21 April 2011
RolStoppable said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
RolStoppable said:

If with "show", you mean gameplay footage, yes.

No, I mean information and announcements in general. As in I don't think any concrete information on the next system is likely this year. But we will see plenty about the Motion Plus games they are making.

They are going to have Skyward Sword and one other game, plus one that doesn't support Motion Plus. Aside from that we are going to see known stuff like Xenoblade and The Last Story. That's going to be it.

And that's an optimistic outlook.

I really don't doubt Nintendo is putting all those WMplus at people's hands just for Wii Play Motion and Z:SS :/



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LordTheNightKnight on 21 April 2011
Beuli2 said:
RolStoppable said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
RolStoppable said:

If with "show", you mean gameplay footage, yes.

No, I mean information and announcements in general. As in I don't think any concrete information on the next system is likely this year. But we will see plenty about the Motion Plus games they are making.

They are going to have Skyward Sword and one other game, plus one that doesn't support Motion Plus. Aside from that we are going to see known stuff like Xenoblade and The Last Story. That's going to be it.

And that's an optimistic outlook.

I really don't doubt Nintendo is putting all those WMplus at people's hands just for Wii Play Motion and Z:SS :/


They have been bundling Wiimote Plusses with new systems, after all.



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