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Wagram said:

Gaming critics have failed everyone with their piss poor analysis of games (OMFG  COOOLZ GRAPHIX = 10/10) and their utter fanboyism towards certain consoles or franchises. Don't believe they just have it out for casuals.

Aside from a few places, this statement is very much correct...



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what do you expect.  its like having the guys on espn review a lifetime channel movie

its flawed from the start



Wagram said:

Gaming critics have failed everyone with their piss poor analysis of games (OMFG  COOOLZ GRAPHIX = 10/10) and their utter fanboyism towards certain consoles or franchises. Don't believe they just have it out for casuals.

While I wouldn't say it goes quite that far, there are clear obsessions from certain groups.  I mean, on Gametrailers, every Assassins Creed game got a 9.5 or above.  Yet in their reviews, they cite the games having a clear lack of variety haflway through, graphics bugs and a lack of flow.  Yet when it comes time to review Batman: Arkham Asylum, which pretty much fixed every point they said was a negative for Assassins Creed, they score the game lower.  Despite having no real negative views on the game and even admitting it was one of the best games this gen.

In other words, yes, personal bias fits heavily into reviews.  So people have to realize this when expecting their favorite game to get a 9.8.  If Bozon or Craig doesn't like the game that much, expect it to go down a few points.



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Galaki said:
NiKKoM said:

Just Dance 2 deserves a 90plus rating


95plus after you got the rabbids dlc?

Hell yeah... you know I actually went out to buy more wii points but it turned out that till the 30th of april the DLC is free... it's only 1 song but now my gf is dancing with the Raving Rabbids = priceless..



 

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MrT-Tar said:

people should actually read a review to see if a game is for them, then basing their decision on an arbitrary numerical score.


I agree. That's what I do. However, most hardcore gamers seem to care a lot about the numerical score. I'm wondering if the typical casual gamer does the same.



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scottie said:
Doobie_wop said:

Actually, reviewers do a pretty decent job with casual games, you just have to read the actual review instead of just looking at the score. They have an audience to attend to, but in every casual review I've read, they've made sure to mention that the game is perfectly suitable for someone looking for that type of experience. It's like with Kinnectimals, reviewers aren't that high on the game, but they acknowledge that it's a quality product for children and family. 


Indeed, some very good points made, but it is odd that reviews have this odd disconnect - the text is written with the target audience in mind, but the score is not. I think that is the source of the problem that many have with reviews of casual games.

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Machina said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
enditall727 said:

what casual game do you think deserve's a 95%?

Depends on your definition of Casual.  But I'd say:

Sim City 3000

Super Mario Galaxy

Kirby's Canvas Curse

etc.

Anyway, its natural for sites like IGN or magazines like Game Informer to be harsh on the 'casual' games.  Not only are they appealing to the 'hardcore' market, but they themselves are people who grew up playing what they considered 'core' games.

What I'm mad about is how reviewers have been so obviously bias against Wii and DS games.  And even considering 'graphical limitations', they've obviously been downscoring both Wii and DS games with a clear bias.  And not just the 'casual' titles, but the actual good titles on the systems.

Not that this is surprising as they practically did the same think for the GBA, N64 and GC.  But never this bad...

Two out of the three highest rated games of the entire generation are Wii games. If there's systemic downgrading of Wii games then I don't see how they can be explained. If there is a bias against the console do you not think those scores would've been sabotaged by reviewers intentionally downgrading their scores?

As for DS, well, I don't buy that at all. Check out the DS's all time highest scoring games according to Metacritic, then go and pop over to the PSP section and you'll see that it gets an equally rough ride when it comes to scoring for its premier titles. When it comes to those two I think it's more a case of the bar being set high for handheld games in general.

Aside from Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, what other major games out there got above 9.0 on Wii?  Metroid Prime Trilogy, Resident Evil 4, Twilight Princess, Smash Bros Brawl....oops, that's about it.  And all those games came out over 3 years ago.

My point wasn't that Wii didn't have some high scoring games.  Its that across the board, Wii has been ignored for the HD consoles.  Hell, even Muramasa, New Super Mario Bros and Donkey Kong Country Returns got scores under 9.0 on most sites.  And those are suppose to be the 'core' games by most people.

On the flip side, these are the same people who gave games like GTAIV, Little Big Planet and MGSIV near perfect scores, mostly for graphics.  But aside from those examples, there are far more games rated above 9.0 on PS3/360 than on Wii.  And most of the time, the reasons cited are graphics and popularity (both for the HD systems and against the Wii).  Despite Wii games obviously outselling many PS3/360 games.

When it all adds up, you see a bias towards 'core' games and against Wii games.

I'm not going to say games on the HD consoles suck.  I own a PS3 and I think games like Assassins Creed, Batman: Arkham Asylum and Bayonetta should easily have scores over 9.0.  What I AM saying is, many of the good games on Wii were overlooked.



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Machina said:

So? They don't deserve to be above 9 just because they're good core games :S I can give you a list as long as my arm of equally rated games across all platforms which missed out on the 90% mark.

"the same people who gave games like GTAIV, Little Big Planet and MGSIV near perfect scores, mostly for graphics" and "most of the time, the reasons cited are graphics and popularity" is revealing more of your own prejudices than those who reviewed them imo. I happen to dislike all 3 of those games and consider them overrated, but not on the basis that reviewers mostly gave them those scores for good graphics. They were scored that way because reviewers thought they were superb all round: gameplay, graphics, presentation, sound design, lasting appeal/value, innovation, etc., not just graphically.

And I'm not even sure what you mean by popularity/sales being the second major reason cited for high scores by reviewers. I don't think I've ever seen that happen.


Popularity..........he probably means that if a new Halo were to come out for example, and they messed the gameplay and story up but it still looked great graphically, just because of the already established popularity, it would scor about 80% whereas a better, but less known game(I assume he's talking about wii games specifically) would score about 70%.



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Machina said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Machina said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
enditall727 said:

what casual game do you think deserve's a 95%?

Depends on your definition of Casual.  But I'd say:

Sim City 3000

Super Mario Galaxy

Kirby's Canvas Curse

etc.

Anyway, its natural for sites like IGN or magazines like Game Informer to be harsh on the 'casual' games.  Not only are they appealing to the 'hardcore' market, but they themselves are people who grew up playing what they considered 'core' games.

What I'm mad about is how reviewers have been so obviously bias against Wii and DS games.  And even considering 'graphical limitations', they've obviously been downscoring both Wii and DS games with a clear bias.  And not just the 'casual' titles, but the actual good titles on the systems.

Not that this is surprising as they practically did the same think for the GBA, N64 and GC.  But never this bad...

Two out of the three highest rated games of the entire generation are Wii games. If there's systemic downgrading of Wii games then I don't see how they can be explained. If there is a bias against the console do you not think those scores would've been sabotaged by reviewers intentionally downgrading their scores?

As for DS, well, I don't buy that at all. Check out the DS's all time highest scoring games according to Metacritic, then go and pop over to the PSP section and you'll see that it gets an equally rough ride when it comes to scoring for its premier titles. When it comes to those two I think it's more a case of the bar being set high for handheld games in general.

Aside from Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, what other major games out there got above 9.0 on Wii?  Metroid Prime Trilogy, Resident Evil 4, Twilight Princess, Smash Bros Brawl....oops, that's about it.  And all those games came out over 3 years ago.

My point wasn't that Wii didn't have some high scoring games.  Its that across the board, Wii has been ignored for the HD consoles.  Hell, even Muramasa, New Super Mario Bros and Donkey Kong Country Returns got scores under 9.0 on most sites.  And those are suppose to be the 'core' games by most people.

On the flip side, these are the same people who gave games like GTAIV, Little Big Planet and MGSIV near perfect scores, mostly for graphics.  But aside from those examples, there are far more games rated above 9.0 on PS3/360 than on Wii.  And most of the time, the reasons cited are graphics and popularity (both for the HD systems and against the Wii).  Despite Wii games obviously outselling many PS3/360 games.

When it all adds up, you see a bias towards 'core' games and against Wii games.

I'm not going to say games on the HD consoles suck.  I own a PS3 and I think games like Assassins Creed, Batman: Arkham Asylum and Bayonetta should easily have scores over 9.0.  What I AM saying is, many of the good games on Wii were overlooked.

So? They don't deserve to be above 9 just because they're good core games.

Wait, what?  So why else does a game deserve a 9.0 rating?  Graphics?  And frankly, the games I name DID deserve over a 9.0.  Unelss you're trying to compare Muramasa or Donkey Kong Country Returns to like, Crysis 2 and Assassins Creed II, which seems to be how reviewers are doing it.  And even then, that's pretty bias considering PS2 got the most games over 9.0 last gen while having the weakest graphics.



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You kidding me? Reviewers have been giving good scores to all sorts of casual games this generation. Just look at CoD.



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