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BenVTrigger said:
Dallinor said:
BenVTrigger said:
dsage01 said:
Michael-5 said:

Killzone 3 is selling well for a PS3 exclusive. If you're asking why Killzone 3 sales aren't as strong as Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War it's because it doesn't have as strong of a multiplayer component. Multiplayer is fun, but there is nothing really bringing you back into the game. Resident Evil 5 sold well despite having poor multiplayer because of the strong label Resident Evil 4 laid. Also Killzone doesn't have as epic of a story arc as other Sci-Fi shooters like Halo, Gears of War, or Resident Evil. The events in Killzone 3 are much more loosly tied to the events in other Killzones compared to the other mentioned sci fi shooters. So..

1. Not as addicitve multiplayer as compeditors

2. Not the king of multiplayer games, so it's forgotten quickly since everyone else is playing Call of Duty.

3. Not so massive story arc.

Just to let you know Killzone has great multiplayer. Many people are on (possibly more than Reach as of today) And Gears 2 multiplayer was pretty bad it had many bugs and people complaining. For the Cod and Halo part I agree with you but come on we both know it deserves much more sales than the 1.4 million right now.

DId you really just try to say that there are more people currently playing Killzone 3 than Halo Reach?  Here's a stat for you real quick.  Since KZ3's launch it has had 2,231,404 games played.

Just today alone Halo Reach had 2 million matches.  In other words in one day Halo Reach has had nearly as many player matches as Killzone has had since the day it launched.  The size of their communities and following isn't even remotley close.  The only franchise in the world that can hang with Halo in terms of FPS fanbase is Call of Duty.

To be fair COD does more than just hang with it, it's much, much bigger.



And your point?  On 360 COD isn't far bigger Black Ops has blown past Reach but every other Halo has hung pretty close to COD.  Not to mention COD gets far more exposure being a multi-platform title.  And are you really trying to compare two franchises that have proven track records of over 10 million units to Killzone? 

Just your wording stuck out as I was glancing through the thread, to 'hang with' would imply it's at almost the same level or at the same level I would think, when in fact that's not the case at all. COD is on a complete different level.

You were obviously comparing the two titles on one platform alone though, but that was not evident in your post.



 

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The FPS market is saturated. Way too many this gen. Take your pick when you're at the store. The more expensive new released game, or Killzone 2 that is now cheaper and is also a good game. You decide. And not to mention all the Call of Duty games released aswell as battlefield.



Dallinor said:
BenVTrigger said:
Dallinor said:
BenVTrigger said:
dsage01 said:
Michael-5 said:

Killzone 3 is selling well for a PS3 exclusive. If you're asking why Killzone 3 sales aren't as strong as Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War it's because it doesn't have as strong of a multiplayer component. Multiplayer is fun, but there is nothing really bringing you back into the game. Resident Evil 5 sold well despite having poor multiplayer because of the strong label Resident Evil 4 laid. Also Killzone doesn't have as epic of a story arc as other Sci-Fi shooters like Halo, Gears of War, or Resident Evil. The events in Killzone 3 are much more loosly tied to the events in other Killzones compared to the other mentioned sci fi shooters. So..

1. Not as addicitve multiplayer as compeditors

2. Not the king of multiplayer games, so it's forgotten quickly since everyone else is playing Call of Duty.

3. Not so massive story arc.

Just to let you know Killzone has great multiplayer. Many people are on (possibly more than Reach as of today) And Gears 2 multiplayer was pretty bad it had many bugs and people complaining. For the Cod and Halo part I agree with you but come on we both know it deserves much more sales than the 1.4 million right now.

DId you really just try to say that there are more people currently playing Killzone 3 than Halo Reach?  Here's a stat for you real quick.  Since KZ3's launch it has had 2,231,404 games played.

Just today alone Halo Reach had 2 million matches.  In other words in one day Halo Reach has had nearly as many player matches as Killzone has had since the day it launched.  The size of their communities and following isn't even remotley close.  The only franchise in the world that can hang with Halo in terms of FPS fanbase is Call of Duty.

To be fair COD does more than just hang with it, it's much, much bigger.



And your point?  On 360 COD isn't far bigger Black Ops has blown past Reach but every other Halo has hung pretty close to COD.  Not to mention COD gets far more exposure being a multi-platform title.  And are you really trying to compare two franchises that have proven track records of over 10 million units to Killzone? 

Just your wording stuck out as I was glancing through the thread, to 'hang with' would imply it's at almost the same level or at the same level I would think, when in fact that's not the case at all. COD is on a complete different level.

You were obviously comparing the two titles on one platform alone though, but that was not evident in your post.

You obviously didn't read my edit.  Black Ops is on a whole other level, however its the first game to ever do so, and Halo has outsold COD many times before.

Your wrong if your trying to say COD as a whole on 360 is on a far higher level.  Halo has either hung with it or outsold it every time up until now.  We'll see which has higher staying power in the long run.



BenVTrigger said:
Dallinor said:
BenVTrigger said:
dsage01 said:
Michael-5 said:

Killzone 3 is selling well for a PS3 exclusive. If you're asking why Killzone 3 sales aren't as strong as Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War it's because it doesn't have as strong of a multiplayer component. Multiplayer is fun, but there is nothing really bringing you back into the game. Resident Evil 5 sold well despite having poor multiplayer because of the strong label Resident Evil 4 laid. Also Killzone doesn't have as epic of a story arc as other Sci-Fi shooters like Halo, Gears of War, or Resident Evil. The events in Killzone 3 are much more loosly tied to the events in other Killzones compared to the other mentioned sci fi shooters. So..

1. Not as addicitve multiplayer as compeditors

2. Not the king of multiplayer games, so it's forgotten quickly since everyone else is playing Call of Duty.

3. Not so massive story arc.

Just to let you know Killzone has great multiplayer. Many people are on (possibly more than Reach as of today) And Gears 2 multiplayer was pretty bad it had many bugs and people complaining. For the Cod and Halo part I agree with you but come on we both know it deserves much more sales than the 1.4 million right now.

DId you really just try to say that there are more people currently playing Killzone 3 than Halo Reach?  Here's a stat for you real quick.  Since KZ3's launch it has had 2,231,404 games played.

Just today alone Halo Reach had 2 million matches.  In other words in one day Halo Reach has had nearly as many player matches as Killzone has had since the day it launched.  The size of their communities and following isn't even remotley close.  The only franchise in the world that can hang with Halo in terms of FPS fanbase is Call of Duty.

To be fair COD does more than just hang with it, it's much, much bigger.



And your point?  On 360 COD isn't far bigger Black Ops has blown past Reach but every other Halo has hung pretty close to COD.  Not to mention COD gets far more exposure being a multi-platform title.  And are you really trying to compare two franchises that have proven track records of over 10 million units to Killzone? 

I think he was just saying that your word choice made it sound like call of duty is barely keeping up with halo when infact it has surprassed it by a pretty wide margain even on just the xbox 360. The game isn't selling as well as it should be because killzone 2 had awkward controls so many people who hated them gave up on killzone, and 3 became more similar to call of duty, alienating the fans who enjoyed the second one. Legs were initially good due to bundles, but now it will drop off fast in my opinion.

 

As for the comments about had the ps3 exclusives been on 360. Killzone 3 would have probably sold better then on the ps3 but not by much. Plenty of 360 shooters don't sell too much better than their ps3 counterparts.

As for god of war 3, I belive it would have sold better or equally well on the 360. For a ps3 exclusive, it has ridiculously high americas to EMEAA sales. I think its fair to assume a very large portion of 360 owners owned a playstation 2 last gen, considering xbox 1 sales. I know anicdotal evidence really shouldn't be too convincing but its astonishing that every single 360 owner I know would pick god of war 3 if they could have one ps3 exclusive be on the xbox.

As for uncharted 2, it would have probably sold slightly less. Though 360 owners tend to buy more tps games, mass effect 2 has shown that unbelievable critical acclaim won't nessessarary cause massive sells for a 360 game.



1. Nobody cares about it.

2. Its not that great.

3. Theres Call of Duty which is better and people actually care to buy. 



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BenVTrigger said:
Dallinor said:
BenVTrigger said:
Dallinor said:
BenVTrigger said:
dsage01 said:
Michael-5 said:

Killzone 3 is selling well for a PS3 exclusive. If you're asking why Killzone 3 sales aren't as strong as Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War it's because it doesn't have as strong of a multiplayer component. Multiplayer is fun, but there is nothing really bringing you back into the game. Resident Evil 5 sold well despite having poor multiplayer because of the strong label Resident Evil 4 laid. Also Killzone doesn't have as epic of a story arc as other Sci-Fi shooters like Halo, Gears of War, or Resident Evil. The events in Killzone 3 are much more loosly tied to the events in other Killzones compared to the other mentioned sci fi shooters. So..

1. Not as addicitve multiplayer as compeditors

2. Not the king of multiplayer games, so it's forgotten quickly since everyone else is playing Call of Duty.

3. Not so massive story arc.

Just to let you know Killzone has great multiplayer. Many people are on (possibly more than Reach as of today) And Gears 2 multiplayer was pretty bad it had many bugs and people complaining. For the Cod and Halo part I agree with you but come on we both know it deserves much more sales than the 1.4 million right now.

DId you really just try to say that there are more people currently playing Killzone 3 than Halo Reach?  Here's a stat for you real quick.  Since KZ3's launch it has had 2,231,404 games played.

Just today alone Halo Reach had 2 million matches.  In other words in one day Halo Reach has had nearly as many player matches as Killzone has had since the day it launched.  The size of their communities and following isn't even remotley close.  The only franchise in the world that can hang with Halo in terms of FPS fanbase is Call of Duty.

To be fair COD does more than just hang with it, it's much, much bigger.



And your point?  On 360 COD isn't far bigger Black Ops has blown past Reach but every other Halo has hung pretty close to COD.  Not to mention COD gets far more exposure being a multi-platform title.  And are you really trying to compare two franchises that have proven track records of over 10 million units to Killzone? 

Just your wording stuck out as I was glancing through the thread, to 'hang with' would imply it's at almost the same level or at the same level I would think, when in fact that's not the case at all. COD is on a complete different level.

You were obviously comparing the two titles on one platform alone though, but that was not evident in your post.

You obviously didn't read my edit.  Black Ops is on a whole other level, however its the first game to ever do so, and Halo has outsold COD many times before.

Your wrong if your trying to say COD as a whole on 360 is on a far higher level.  Halo has hung with it and outsold it every time up until now.  We'll see which has higher staying power in the long run.

This is very simple. Read the bolded.

"The only franchise in the world that can hang with Halo in terms of FPS fanbase is Call of Duty."

Halo Reach =8.21 m sold.

COD: Black OPS= 24.04 million.

Roughly triple it's numbers and it's doing this annually at the moment. By the end of this gen, COD will be the best selling series in one genration ever. I think it's at 85 million plus so far this gen.

 



 

Just because killzone doesnt do big numbers like cod or halo doesnt mean its not selling. Killzone 3 is selling well as a ps3 exclusive, and not to mention it has pretty good legs and momentum through its weeks.  Hell within last week it was still number 12 worldwide, yes not the highest but its up there among the highest  even a month and a half after its been out. Its decent in Emeaa right now but itll pick up, and its selling really well in America. What people need to do is stop comparing killzone to halo cause killzone is nothing like halo with the exception of both being sci-fi shooters. If anything is similiar to halo on the ps3 it would be the resistance franchise with their similarity of weapons.Not only is killzone 3 selling well in the americas but it already has beat out killzone 2's america sells in the first ten weeks. Btw sources for kz3 selling well in usa.  http://www.gamesthirst.net/2011/04/15/killzone-3-sold-well-in-the-u-s-last-month/



Dallinor said:
BenVTrigger said:
Dallinor said:
BenVTrigger said:
Dallinor said:
BenVTrigger said:
dsage01 said:
Michael-5 said:

Killzone 3 is selling well for a PS3 exclusive. If you're asking why Killzone 3 sales aren't as strong as Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War it's because it doesn't have as strong of a multiplayer component. Multiplayer is fun, but there is nothing really bringing you back into the game. Resident Evil 5 sold well despite having poor multiplayer because of the strong label Resident Evil 4 laid. Also Killzone doesn't have as epic of a story arc as other Sci-Fi shooters like Halo, Gears of War, or Resident Evil. The events in Killzone 3 are much more loosly tied to the events in other Killzones compared to the other mentioned sci fi shooters. So..

1. Not as addicitve multiplayer as compeditors

2. Not the king of multiplayer games, so it's forgotten quickly since everyone else is playing Call of Duty.

3. Not so massive story arc.

Just to let you know Killzone has great multiplayer. Many people are on (possibly more than Reach as of today) And Gears 2 multiplayer was pretty bad it had many bugs and people complaining. For the Cod and Halo part I agree with you but come on we both know it deserves much more sales than the 1.4 million right now.

DId you really just try to say that there are more people currently playing Killzone 3 than Halo Reach?  Here's a stat for you real quick.  Since KZ3's launch it has had 2,231,404 games played.

Just today alone Halo Reach had 2 million matches.  In other words in one day Halo Reach has had nearly as many player matches as Killzone has had since the day it launched.  The size of their communities and following isn't even remotley close.  The only franchise in the world that can hang with Halo in terms of FPS fanbase is Call of Duty.

To be fair COD does more than just hang with it, it's much, much bigger.



And your point?  On 360 COD isn't far bigger Black Ops has blown past Reach but every other Halo has hung pretty close to COD.  Not to mention COD gets far more exposure being a multi-platform title.  And are you really trying to compare two franchises that have proven track records of over 10 million units to Killzone? 

Just your wording stuck out as I was glancing through the thread, to 'hang with' would imply it's at almost the same level or at the same level I would think, when in fact that's not the case at all. COD is on a complete different level.

You were obviously comparing the two titles on one platform alone though, but that was not evident in your post.

You obviously didn't read my edit.  Black Ops is on a whole other level, however its the first game to ever do so, and Halo has outsold COD many times before.

Your wrong if your trying to say COD as a whole on 360 is on a far higher level.  Halo has hung with it and outsold it every time up until now.  We'll see which has higher staying power in the long run.

This is very simple. Read the bolded.

"The only franchise in the world that can hang with Halo in terms of FPS fanbase is Call of Duty."

Halo Reach =8.21 m sold.

COD: Black OPS= 24.04 million.

Roughly triple it's numbers and it's doing this annually at the moment. By the end of this gen, COD will be the best selling series in one genration ever. I think it's at 85 million plus so far this gen.

 


Again your ignoring sales in comparison to individual platforms.  Halo oustsells PS3 versions of COD and hangs with or outsells the 360 version of COD in every case EXCEPT for Black Ops.  One game in a series is hardly comparable to the overall sales of a franchise on a console as a whole.

And are you honestly trying to compare adding up all sales for the game on every platform and compare them to the sales of an exclusive game on one?  You know my point and your just playing a game of semantics.  There should have been no problem in the first place I simply commented in response to someone who claimed Killzone has a currently higher player population than Halo when they aren't even close.  And of course since I said anything Pro 360 related I get jumped on.

Its honestly starting to get old for the 360 fans on here and I'm a huge PS3 fan as well but I usually don't even spend time sideing with it in discussion because the debates on this site are so unbalanced someone needs to be actually complimenting 360 stuff.



Dallinor said:

This is very simple. Read the bolded.

"The only franchise in the world that can hang with Halo in terms of FPS fanbase is Call of Duty."

Halo Reach =8.21 m sold.

COD: Black OPS= 24.04 million.

Roughly triple it's numbers and it's doing this annually at the moment. By the end of this gen, COD will be the best selling series in one genration ever. I think it's at 85 million plus so far this gen.

86.24 million by my count.  Might have missed something though.  That also doesn't count the PC versions of COD2/3, the Americas sales for MW2 PC, and any PC copies sold through DD.  It'll probably do at least 125 million this generation.



Its selling amazing in America, and doing ok in EMEAA. So I don't really see any reason to worry about it. And as for the Halo and CoD comparisons, it would be like saying Forza isnt succesful because GT outsells it or that LBP is a failure because Mario outsells it. Just because something isn't the best selling of its genre doesn't make it a failure.

Also besides the monster that is CoD it also competes with MAG, resistance and SOCOM



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