really?

well their trading is very open

you are not looking at the power in its whole sense

if they make a movie,they can just bank it on their own population and make more money than the rest of the world

their soceity is just closed now,that way every soceity is closed to their borders but when they open like british and germans   in 19th and 20th century,they colonized the shit out of everybody else

Wow there's so much wrong in this post and twisted logics.

To generalize like that and say "immigrants are only beneficial to the economy" is extremely ignorant.

It benefits America perhaps (it's debatable) but "immigration" definitely doesn't benefit European economy or society as a whole. I'm speaking of immigration like it happens in reality, right here and right now with all the millions of poor people knocking on the doors of Europe and the 50 million immigrants that are already here. We're not talking about the labor based immigration of your neo-capitalist fantasies. It's debatable how much current immigration flows benefit USA and Canada but yes, America certainly became powerful because of immigration historically and it was created with immigration in mind and the American society is by its design very much adapted to the nature of immigration. Europe is not.

And where did you get this delusion that immigrants work more than the native population? Because that sure isn't true in the majority of Europe including UK, Spain, Italy, France, Holland and Germany. If 80% of the native Swedish adult population works but only 55% of all immigrants work, how does immigration benefit Swedish economy?

If a certain economic and welfare system is already in place in a country, the people decided to build it during many decades after the WW2, and you bring mostly asylum seekers and their families in it and most of them end up feeding on it, you still claim immigration is beneficial to the economy? It's circular reasoning.

You say "Fix the welfare system, fix the economy, fix unemployment, fix crime rates". Are you extremely naive or something? Currently our way of "fixing" is to bring even more immigrants, not just in Sweden but all over Europe immigration is record high, because such is the nature of immigration, it tends to expand if you don't take active measures against it.

you can't always look at history as everything isn't comparable.

in history,india and china didn't have the population power.

in history,globalization was not an aspect of world life.

in history,soviets were pretty strong

in history,europe kicked everybody's ass,even each other's ass but now they are gonna have their's kicked

Fireworks aren't a recent invention, food isn't a strong enough influence, and Chinatowns are ghettos.

Modern Chinese scoiety, due to the Communist system, is a colsed society and their restrictions of free speech and free interraction with the world outside their country prevents them from gaining significant influence over the world.

Not really, unless their theatre prices are very very cheap. If they made a movie and charged just $1 to watch it, and the whole population of China went to see it, the movie would barely make half of what Avatar did. People in China don't have enough money to pay $10-15 to see a movei en-masse. Plus, people don't go in huge numbers to the cinema anymore in any country.

Also, you haven't been able to explain how that movie being successful in China would help it gain influence worldwide. The movie would have to be a blockbuster in every country, and they don't have any big stars that could help get people interested in it.

And China can't colonize the world, like the Europeans did, because they don't benefit of having technologically primitive enemies. If they'd try to invade another country, that would start WWIII, a war which they would lose.

That's good to know, as many people use the world "culture" to reffer to "civilized".

Anyways, due to globalization you'd be surpised how there's not that much difference between Romanian's and American's.

i know they would have to work out the price sytem

i was just saying that quantity is slowly showing its strong hold

how can you say china doesn't have the tech,even if they don't,they have the man power to make some pretty damn fast

I'm saying China isn't the only country that has the tech, by comparison to the adverseries of European colonists, who never stood a chance.

*sighs* Well, first of all you're wrong on the work point, especially in the UK. In the UK, the average immigrant actually generate more in tax revenue than the average native-born UK citizen. http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/cm72/7237/7237.pdf

As that report finds out, the UK Government is experiencing a double-whammy benefit from immigration. As, not only are they paying more in tax... but we never had to pay for their education.

You can't generate more tax, per capita, if you don't work harder, per capita. That's a simple fact.

As for the USA, today. Their farming system simply would not be able to work without the labour of Mexican immigrants in California. Americans don't want to do the jobs, and even if they did... they wou;dn't want to do it for the shitty wages, they would probably unionize and demand more and more benefits... the cost of labour on farms in the USA would skyrocket, and the farms would all move to Mexico (which is already happening... but much slower than it would).

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As for the welfare systems, you should know by now that I am very much against them. If you're born in this country, or you move here, it doesn't matter. If you don't have the dignity to sustain your own life, then why the fuck should others be forced to?

But... I don't really understand your last comment. I'm telling you that if you sort out the welfare systems (that is, pretty much scrap 95% of it) , any problems with immigration will fix themselves. You tell me that I'm niave because the Government aren't doing that... how does that make sense? The Government aren't doing what I suggest, and the problem is getting worse... and I'm being naive? Perhaps it's just a case of, as usual, the Government being wrong.

From your own report. On page 25, Figure 5.4.4 proportion of working age population that are economically inactive:

UK-born: 21%
Born overseas: 26%

So you are wrong even based on your own worthless report. Those reports, we have them in Sweden too, they're worthless. Garbage. Rubbish. They're ordered by the government to justify their insane mass immigration. It's pure propaganda.

They use all sorts of tricks in them to twist the statistics and they leave out heavy economical negative impacts from immigration suchs as crime, extra resources taken for border control, immigration office paper work, unneccessary jobs created from immigration (say, if you work as an interpretor, that job is worthless o the UK, but in the statistics that's recorded as an employed immigrant). One trick is to define total labor force as all people between the age of 15-75 to artifically make it look like the employment rate of immigrants is high, then in the next table use the age group 15-65 when it benefits statistics of immigrants in another way.

I'm worried if you will work in finance one day because you have a poor ability to read stats and you lack the healthy scepticism needed to interpret propaganda. (it's not just you, Highwaystar among others buy into these lies too and keep repeating them).