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iasta on 19 May 2011
FinalEvangelion said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Chevinator123 said:

i hope they do, itll help blu ray get out there more


Not really. If people didn't go "It's on a Playstation, I have to get it!", they aren't going to go "It's on a Nintendo system, I have to get it!".


Well,I know quite a few people where Blu-ray was part of the purchase of the PS3.  If it isn't everybody, it is some people.  Heck, my parents got a PS3 just for Blu-ray.  I know, anecdotal.

 

If Nintendo and MS have it (I strongly think MS will have BD playback standard), then it does help the format penetration.

Nintendo has no advantage to help for the format penetration... the money won't go on their pocket... Sony (obviously) and a little microsoft (for some blu-ray codecs) have more incentive to do so.



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zarx on 19 May 2011
Viper1 said:
Red4ADevil said:

@ digitalnasties I was thinking the same thing. So far nobody has mentioned this. But if you think about it, isnt holoraphic storage still a working progress? last time I remember they still pretty pricey to mass produce for the general market.

I mentioned it several times in one of the other threads.  I'd really love to see them take that route. 

justinian said:
Viper1 said:

Which is a distinct possiblity.  The 3DS uses them with up to 8 GB of capacity.  With falling flash memory prices, I don't see why the N6 couldn't use 16 or even 32 GB flash RAM carts.


Regardless of how much the price falls  flash memory will always be far more expensive than blank BR disc.

A quick check show me I will pay around £15.00 for a 16GB of any given flash format. For £15.00 I can get a blank 50GB BR-Disc and pay much less for a smaller capacity disc.

I'm looking from a different perspective.   No mechanical drive.  Mecahnical drives are the leading cause of all console errors in Nintendo home consoles since the introduction fo the GC.  Granted it is still fewer than other consoles.   By going back to cartrdiges you eliminate a huge error prone component.

Further still you gain the ability to read and write, much faster access speeds, faster transfer speeds, a quiter and cooler system, lower FEC and UL fees, etc....   Sounds like a decent trade off to me.  And if the ystem can do procedrual texturing, you won't need masssive capacity anyway.

Zekkyou said:
Viper1 said:

I've seen the demo.  It is basically their UE3 with DX11 shaders added.  It also took 3 GeForce 580 GPU's to render it.  Sony and MS's next console will not have the same graphical muscle as 3 GeForce 580's. 

As for it being a larger jump from the current systems than the PS3/X360 were from the PS2/Xbox?   You're the only person I've come across to believe that.  And I speak to gamers and developers everyday.


*Looks at viper's profuile sees nothing but nintendo games* oh i see ;) no point arguing is there ;D I asume all those gamers and "developers" (rofl) are not ps3 or 360 user

If we asume that sony is correct that next gen wont start for the HD consols until 2014 or 15 then 3 gtx 580's isnt that impossible to see. If u read the origonal thread about the UE4 qwith the tech demo u will find many epople (with alot of expiraicne in PC gameing) saying that it was actualy not that far away having graphics card that powerfull at afordable prices. The only problem they have is the heat which is quickly imporiving (look at the gtx 570. incredably powerfull hard that can run crysis maxed out at 70C).

So dont acuse me of being the only one who things the jump will be just as if not bigger when there is an entire thread with people saying the same thing ;)

We can look at the PS3 and X360's release period and compare them to to the power of 3 top of the line GPU's from 3-4 years prior.   PS3 wouldn't match the fill rate of 3 high end cards from 2002-2003.  Not even close.

As for me being a Nintendo fan, it's irrelevant.  I co-own a media network with 35,000 members (90% PS3 fans) and being media I speak with developers all the time.   And my statement was not an accusation which would be a suggestion that you inteionally did somethign wrong.  But merely an observation that still to this point, you are the only one I've spoken to that believes the jump from PS3/X360 to the next generation will be larger than the jump from PS2/Xbox to current generation.   You might want to talk with some publishers about how the feel about their budgets skyrocketing again.


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Cthulhu on 19 May 2011
Viper1 said:
Zekkyou said:

Said on IGN its aparently a bit more power and a ps3 of 360 because nintendo want to "re capture the hardcore market"... if there try to do that by improving graphics then there fucked xD ps4 and 720 are oing to be absalute power houses is epic are correct with there predictions (they where last gen)

I doubt the new consoles from Sony and Microsoft will be much more powerful than their current systems.  It certainly won't be the same as the jump we saw from PS2 and Xbox to PS3 and X360.  Not even close.

My guess is the jump in power and graphics will be a lot bigger than the previous jump.



Faxanadu on 19 May 2011
KylieDog said:
Galaki said:

Licensing fees. I don't use my consoles for movies anyways. I like it that way and keep the system cheap.


The added cost to the consumer for movie playback on a console would be significantly less than buying a seperate bluray player.

But you already have the PS3. So you would be forced to pay for something you do not need anymore.



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Squilliam on 19 May 2011

It definately makes sense for them to use Blu Ray. It's probably the cheapest way to get dense, higher speed media without resorting to flash.



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Faxanadu on 19 May 2011
KylieDog said:
Faxanadu said:
KylieDog said:
Galaki said:

Licensing fees. I don't use my consoles for movies anyways. I like it that way and keep the system cheap.


The added cost to the consumer for movie playback on a console would be significantly less than buying a seperate bluray player.

But you already have the PS3. So you would be forced to pay for something you do not need anymore.

 

What if I want it in another room?


Then you would get another PS3. We all know that.



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TomaTito on 19 May 2011

For next genration I'd like to hear the fan instead of the optical drive.



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FinalEvangelion on 19 May 2011
iasta said:
FinalEvangelion said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Chevinator123 said:

i hope they do, itll help blu ray get out there more


Not really. If people didn't go "It's on a Playstation, I have to get it!", they aren't going to go "It's on a Nintendo system, I have to get it!".


Well,I know quite a few people where Blu-ray was part of the purchase of the PS3.  If it isn't everybody, it is some people.  Heck, my parents got a PS3 just for Blu-ray.  I know, anecdotal.

 

If Nintendo and MS have it (I strongly think MS will have BD playback standard), then it does help the format penetration.

Nintendo has no advantage to help for the format penetration... the money won't go on their pocket... Sony (obviously) and a little microsoft (for some blu-ray codecs) have more incentive to do so.


Most of it goes into Panasonic's pocket ;)



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gumby_trucker on 19 May 2011

Just a thought that crossed my mind, but wouldn't it possibly be beneficial to the BDA to give away the license for free to console manufacturers at this point?

If we are really talking about pennies per system, then considering the average consumer would most likely not buy a BD player at this point anyway, with digital distribution having taken off, it seems like a logical way to increase the market penetration dramatically.

I mean even if out of every 10 console owners, only 1 of them cares enough about having built in Blu-Ray to actually go out and buy a single movie during the entire lifetime of the format it might still be profitable* for the BDA. If this kind of move actually helps the format gain a decent market share, then the whole venture would be wildly profitable!

*I'm assuming that for each movie sold the BDA gets in the area of 10 licenses worth of profit, which going by this thread would equate to a Quarter and change... seems reasonable for a layman like me anyway.

Of course this is all assuming Nintendo even intended to go with Blu-Ray to begin with, not to mention have dual layer support.



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gumby_trucker on 19 May 2011
TomaTito said:

For next genration I'd like to hear the fan instead of the optical drive.

LOL

Maybe some clever engineers can build a fan that when rotating produces similar tones to that of an optical drive, and then program it to operate half a phase out of sync with whatever speed the drive is doing at that moment

Free Noise Cancellation FTW!!



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