its not about the genre, if you were here to compare the games go elsewhere, if you want to talk about forza as a game then you are in the right thread.

There is a debate actually. We are having a debate thus, this is debatable. Your opinion does not equal higher points then mine or Selnors for that matter. Don't assume it does. You can slam forza 3 all you want, but actually its not the topic at all, the topic is forza 4, a game you or i havent played. 

Forza 1 may not be but the title clearly says forza 4. I don't know why you are in this thread to talk about GT5, again the wrong thread to be comparing the forza series and gt series, this is a thread dedicated purely for forza 4, you should accept this. 

Saying that Forza isn't a consle racing sim comparable to Sony's GT series is nothing more than biased nonsense, especially if the person doing so, ethomaz in this example, is proudly sporting a Gran Turismo avatar for all to see. Sorta discredits any anything that attempts to come across as 'fair' opinion wouldn't you say. That would be like asking some a lady dressed in military femininst gear and carrying a 'Woman's Rights' picket sign if she thinks Tiger Woods is a good person.

No offense ethomaz, but when you're so clearly on one side of the fence, no one's really going to accept what you say an anything more than overblown, fanboy ranting. Certainly not fact.

There's two types of physics for console racing, arcade and sim. Play Need for Speed then play Forza, play Project Gotham then play Forza, Play Dirt then play Forza....  for all a consoles technical shortcomings compared to it's PC brethren, Forza is a racing simulator just like GT.

As for the OP, don't forget the massive amount of hype shoveled our way by Turn 10 leading up to the release of Forza 3. There's a few developers out there who are world class at over-promotion and second class when it comes time to deliver; Lionhead studios, THQ to name a couple..... and Turn 10. For example, 'the definitive racing game of this generation' shouldn't get released minus local leaderboards, there's really plenty of moments where they sorta juggled the ball while making Forza 3, if not completely dropped it. Hopefull 4 really will lay claim this gen's racing crown, shouldn't be too hard, just don't get blinded by the guys over at Turn 10 while you're waiting for it.

i have forza 1 2 and 3 and will be getting 4.

imo, forza v gt is a difficult issue to make a comparitive review on, they are both a different kind of game.

forza is the more accesible game for all comers whilst gt isnt, where as gt has more game content and will certainly last you a lot longer, not to mention game updates features will all be free.

on the flip side forza has more customisation within livery editer and has online car clubs, customisation of car parts is more comprehensive on gt, but for the average player he/she wont bother about things like that, but will be bothered about livery customisation

forza is a great game/series its just different to what gt offers, and is difficult to make a comparitive review

Amusing. I love how quickly people are able to dismiss a game just because of the consoles exclusivity, probably having never played it in the first place. I've played GT5 at a friends house and at HMV stand, both cases I dropped the controller half way through the race and just walked off, it's boring. Do I feel the need to voice my opinion every time a racing sim related thread occurs? No I don't. People stop feeding the f'ing trolls already.

but what was boring about the race?

For me personally? I felt graphics were somewhat bland, there was no damage to the cars except for miniature cracks which occurred after I pretty much tanked through 7 wall barriers and all the other opponents, the controls felt heavy, the car I was driving, BMW Z-something, convertible was mediocre at both the speed and polish. It just bored me in general, not saying F3 is my favourite game of all time, but people got to stop trolling, especially when they don't even own a f'ing Xbox! It's ridiculous when people keep trolling boards with which they have no experience with, it's not like I frequent PS3 boards all the time and keep pointing out flaws that I sometimes think incorrect.

Thats a very well said post.

well i agree about the damage and same time disagree, when your premium cars are damaged they are really messed up, but for some strange reason PD has made it that you would have to train reck the thing to get real damage on it which is a pain, my point being damage should be seen straight away ie after 1 or 2 bumps instead of 50

re: the grafix its only on a certain tracks that look bland, ie a few of the remakes and the cape ring track(although its a top track) and i hate the tokyo night stage, the rest are fine and look immaculate especally nurburgring gp the nordschliffe and many others

and come on, that bmw is a good car to drive, u can reduce weight and tinker about with all sorts of stuff under the hood.

your best bet is to take same car same track same view and you will notice differences that way.

i would admit however, all gt games the outside view is pants always has been

again using metacritic to judge how good a game is.

im not shocked selnor, you overexagerate everything that we cant take you serious anymore.