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Will Sony sticks its penis in the hornet's nest?

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DonFerrari on 06 April 2011
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And about people complain about taking of Other/OS support going against the benefits to health and militar research... Did they needed to upgrade their firmware??? I don't think so, those PS3 weren't used to play games... I didn't saw any of the Supercomputer users complaining about the removal of other/OS just people that think homebrew is a civil right even if it make pirating rampant.

And the Dreamcast comparison is really good, put the console that bankrupted and took Sega from console development to say piracy don't harm... nice one.

If you didn't see any of the supercomputer users complaing, you weren't looking.

Lots of them did complain.  Including the US Airforce.

 

"We checked in with the Air Force Research Laboratory, which noted its disappointment with the Sony decision. "We will have to continue to use the systems we already have in hand," the lab told Ars, but "this will make it difficult to replace systems that break or fail. The refurbished PS3s also have the problem that when they come back from Sony, they have the firmware (gameOS) and it will not allow Other OS, which seems wrong. We are aware of class-action lawsuits against Sony for taking away this option on systems that used to have it.""


And yeah, piracy wasn't why the dreamcast failed.  The Dreamcast failed because of dumb hardware mistakes... everyone knows this, your just kinda... throwing shit against a wall and hoping it sticks at this point. 

I mean, it's pretty obvious you just want to support sony... because... and don't actually have a coherent line of reasoning for doing so.


I don't support Sony as I don't receive a paycheck.

And they can't buy a new PS3slim to put there, when the Slim never had Other/OS, failed.

Refurbished PS3, Sony fix the PS3 and send it back properly updated, did they tried to fix with 3rd parties (this are still legal you know)?

And the US Army can also sue Sony or never buy their thing again if they seem it is wrong, but they bought the PS3 because it was a lot cheaper option at the time.

What I don't support is hiding behind Civil Rights for doing harmfull things (isn't your case, but you know that a lot of people hiting Sony are doing for their own reasons masked behind the Other/OS remove).

About Dreamcast, you can't choose the problems for it failure, it's always a sum of problems. To say piracy didn't contribute whatsoever isn't really smart. If you want to say Piracy don't harm a company at least use PS2 or CoD since them got really pirated and still breathed.


By your logic.  One of the Reasons Dreamcast failed was Sonic Adventures.   Can't pick and choose!



Piracy isn't why the Dreamcast failed, because the Dreamcast had an extremly high tie ratio.  Higher then the PS2 at a comprable time, higher then the Gamecube or 360 at a comprable time.

The Dreamcast sold more software then it should have based on the number of consoles it sold.

 

So you literally can not blame piracy.


And Sony supported homebrew (begin time of PSP) and Linux (up until 2010 on PS3) more than any other console company, so by your logic Sony couldn't be caled bastards greedy mofos.

You can't use GeoHotz lawyers documents stating that Sony did take of Other/OS because of cost as the true yet, lawyers interpret documents in their best interest. Sony never tried to take down other/os before Hotz exploits.

I'll lunch when i get back we can still talk.

That wasn't Geohotz lawyers documents.  So, i'm guessing you didn't bother to read.


Again?  Your not making any sense though.  Also going off topic.

As for Sony's support of Homebrew.... um....are you talking about the same Sony who sued someone into the ground for teaching his robot dog new tricks?

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/02/sonys-war-on-makers-hackers-and-innovators.html

 

Because your defenses aginst hacking and homebrewing are incompetant compaired to your competitors doesn't make you "more open" to homebrew.

Really, any company doing this would be facing the same scrutiny, being Nintendo or Microsoft.   Or at least MOST of it anyway, since some of it likely is due to the fact that Sony does this a LOT.


You can also look up for the time when Sony had a support homebrew in PSP, it was official and even were in their forum.

About the innovators. Why don't the genius figure out how to put a bluray driver on a Xbox, create a homebrew and play PS3 games there, none of these is illegal. Better try to do something teach everybody how to and lead to piracy - doens't matter if it's good or bad for gaming it's still illegal.

You can say that what i say is illogical as much as you want. But have you seem any of those hackers figuring out ways to improve the PS3 for everybody and sending Sony information on How to make the system better and more safe or they trying to take advantage of exploits?

Hahaha, so now your convinced hackers are in a giant conspiracy vs Sony.

Also, you do know the 360 is hacked and allows homebrew right?


Not convinced that they are on giant conspiracy. But even so i don't see any of them releasing things to do things better, they are basically each one looking for their own interests. Just don't cover it as everyone else interest and rights that they are caring for.

360 doesn't allow homebrew, the hack enable homebrew there is a little difference... but if sony is evil and you can't stand them, just hack a 360 (as people say that Xbox is more powerfull and better in everything) so that you can run PS3 games also - and of course don't buy Sony 1st party as they are evil also.


It wouldn't be illegal to enable PS3 games to be played on a 360 by the way.  That's actually what the Bleem lawsuit settled, it would be totally legal for someone to make their own "Playstationz thrid" that played PS3 games if they wanted, or conversion kits so your PS3 could play wii games or whatever.

The only reason nobody does is.... well because the companies will put you in lawsuit hell and cost you your livelyhood, so it's not worth it... and the bigger companies don't feel like antagonizing each other.

It ain't like Microsoft is any "less evil" it's just they focus more on big groups and less on individuals, they're just less petty.

 As for them "Releasing things to do things better" you do realize that's why Geohotz is being sued right?

Becuase he made his PS3 better and released the information so that everybody could make their PS3 better.  If they did only care about themselves, Sony wouldn't be sueing anyone.

Bleem could play .iso and illegal copies, so it isn't a homebrew it's also a pirate enabling system, so they aren't 100% right... i even used it sometime to play my PS games when i were traveling and couldn't pick up my PSX.

Owww so you make your console better by releasing information that lead to piracy publicly or sending information to the developer so they can apply it to the console and make it better for everybody - not just homebrewers and GeoHotz followers... And braging because you circunvented a device isn't a attitude of someone that is helping but from a attention seeker - even if his work could be used for good it were 100x used for bad reasons.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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dsister on 06 April 2011
DonFerrari said:

Owww no i see... so greed sony should still be losing money to support something because you bought a console that they were already losing money... makes a lot of sense, now go ask microsoft to support Direct X 11 on DOS and Windows 3.11

What? O,o 

You asked how it was costing them money... I told you. 

You need to take a deep breath...

 

Edit: And could you guys cut down on the quote tree? It makes it very difficult to read...



Sig thanks to Saber! :D 

DonFerrari on 06 April 2011
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So since we techinically don't own our PS3s does this mean I get my $900 back that I have spent on the (2) consoles?

If not, then do I at least get back $450 since I own only half of it?

 

 

I also wonder why people think that you do not have the right to do whatever the hell you wish your PS3 whether it be hardware or software.

If they decided that it is perfectly within my rights to do so with my smartphone then what makes my PS3 any different?

 

It voids your warranty and you could be banned from PSN, alright. Don't knock my door in though.


Exactly, Right on target.


Thanks... i live in Brazil, i have freedom of speech and because of hacking community we don't have official support and our games cost 2,5x more than on USA... now i think i should thanks pirating and hacking to stand to my rights.


That has nothing to do with hacking.... and everything to do with the GIANT import tax on foreign goods in brazil.

It's also why piracy is so high.


Owwww I see, so Sony doesn't control governments to make their decisions favour them??? I though people were saying that you can't win against Sony because they own the judicial with their deep pockets...

So in reality governments act on their own?? Interesting toughs, and are governments that makes law not Sony. If Sony can use the judicial system so can you, go there and sue Sony in grounds that it's illegal to take of other/os or sue GeoHotz, maybe you win.

Uhh... what?

You need to take a deep breath, calm down, realize your kinda flaming and in general, acting really illogical.   Your profile says your 26... but your making that pretty hard to believe... espiecally with Ignorance on your own countries economic policies and for why shit is so expensive in brazil.  I mean heck, you just raised tarriffs even more on various stuff recently.

Also, Sony is being sued for removing Other OS.  In a case they might lose specifically because they are argueing two completely contradictory things in that case and the Geohotz case.

Yep i'm 26... and I know everything in Brazil is really highly taxed... but a lot of companies have tax incentives, and if Sony were the corrupt greedy they sure could buy some legislators to put tax on technology they would export to here really low.

Yes and this is how it should be, if you think removal of other/os is illegal sue and you may win... don't try cyber terrorysm saying it's the only solution.

What advantage would sony gain from lowering the import tax on videogames?

I mean, it's just as expensive for Wii and 360, the brazillian tech industry is laugable and the Brazillian market isn't big enough to be worth the effort.  I mean hell, even Apple won't put stores there when directly asked by government officials.

They could, so could MS, or Nintendo.  Your country just isn't worth it.

As for the bolded.  I agree with you there.  I just have zero sympathy for sony.  It's like seeing a car thief get his house toliet papered.

Sure, what happened to him sucked, but i'm supposed to have sympathy because the car theif had to pull some toliet paper off his trees?

Please.


Probably Sony wouldn't have any benefit, or MS... owww wait, they know have official support for PS3 (because it was pirate free for the time being) and it know you don't pay 2000 reais (1400 dollars -) but 1200 reais (750 dollars) so they have interest. But thanks to the pleasants words about my country, you really seems like a nice person.

So you compare Sony using legal system to be a thief, and hackers doing illegal thing as prankers, interesting.

It's not kind or unkind words about your country.  It's just the simple fact that it's not worth it.  It is what it is.

Also yes?

Shutting down giant corporations and putting people into millions and millions of dollars of debt, in lawsuits you know you would lose, so you stretch out the procedings so people have to give up due to financial reasons and taking away vital promised features of a product is a LOT worse then a DDOS attack, that takes down a website for like... a couple hours... and maybe slows the site for another hour or two two.

You know that if you can't hire a lawyer you can have one for free don't you? So if you are poor you still alowed a defense and a right to be heard, and every case is streched, even if you do peer against peer or against government.

And vital promised features seems like it's impossible to turn on the PS3 without it... and i don't mind they doing DDOS for the rest of their lifes, just don't try to sound as they are doing it for the interest of consumers, they are doing for theirs consumer interest, it's different.

Actually no.

Public Defenders are only for Criminal Trials.

Besides, if how much you spent on your lawyers didn't help, sony wouldn't be spending over 1.5 million dollars in the "battle" vs Geohotz.


If you can pay for something it means it is bad?? You can buy a car for 5000,00 or 5.000.000,00 both will take you to your destination.

And I'll agree with you that having money to expend on lawyers can help your case, but even if you expend 1 billion on a court case I don't think you can erase a emend of the constitution...

On a lot of my mother trials, she were a lawyer for common people against companies worth some 100 million or more, and guess what most cases she won... when you are right the chances that you'll win are pretty good.

Not if they drag out the proceedings until your out of money.

Which is what happens in the US.

Though actually you might win, like Bleem did, but you'll go out of buisness in winning.

As will anyone after who tries the same thing, since they'll just sue you as well even though they've already lost the exact same case.

Which is what Sony does.  Which you'd know.

If you bothered to read that above article.  Your just going into circles making arguements that have already been disproven....

I mean we covered this "No free lawyers in civil cases".

Ok won't discuss about free lawyers, but in a mass action suit you can have the lawyer at lower cost - and mitigated between all members - and great part of his profit going after they win the case and sony have to pay the damage... and also I bet a lot of gamers are lawyers why don't unite?? I saw so many members here that sounds as if professional in law - they think they are - that if they got together they could sue sony, let them try it.

And you know you can sue Sony in other countries don't you? Try a cheaper one, choose your jurisdiction - as Sony is doing with GeoHotz - to the one that is most favorable to you... you may even try the OMC chambers, global jurisdiction. Saying that the only way to defeat Sony that cheats using legal methods is using illegal methods isn't a real answer... and I know you are much more inteligent than this.

No you can't. If your a US citizen and try and sue Sony in Europe, the case would be dismissed.

This is why though in Europe, if you were pissed about Sony removing other OS you could get your money back.

Sony KNEW they couldn't stall as much there.

Heck, as it stands today, Sony will probably lose this case and have to refile in NJ.  Of course, that doesn't mean much to Sony, who have deep pockets... though for Geohotz.

By trying to sue him in cali, it really is just another case of Sony's underhanded and unethical practices.


Unethical?? Sony could be even worst and sue him in Japan, they perhaps would be forbided. And i didn't say for you as a american to sue in Europe, but the hackers are everywere aren't they? So sue them where you have a member in a court that is better for you - companies always choose the best venues for them, you may also do it.

It isn't unethical or underhanded to sue were you have better chances it's how law is played since ever.

And if in NJ it's easier to win, so fill your case against Sony there... and doesn't matter the Sony deep pockets, they already bleed some billions with PS3 so i think they don't expend money on suit cases just for fun.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 06 April 2011
dsister said:
DonFerrari said:

Owww no i see... so greed sony should still be losing money to support something because you bought a console that they were already losing money... makes a lot of sense, now go ask microsoft to support Direct X 11 on DOS and Windows 3.11

What? O,o 

You asked how it was costing them money... I told you. 

You need to take a deep breath...

 

Edit: And could you guys cut down on the quote tree? It makes it very difficult to read...


Ok I'll accept your explanation as why it's for cost saving, but if it's illegal for them to do it, them should be for every other tech selling company...

Sorry, About the three.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Kasz216 on 06 April 2011
DonFerrari said:
dsister said:
DonFerrari said:

Owww no i see... so greed sony should still be losing money to support something because you bought a console that they were already losing money... makes a lot of sense, now go ask microsoft to support Direct X 11 on DOS and Windows 3.11

What? O,o 

You asked how it was costing them money... I told you. 

You need to take a deep breath...

 

Edit: And could you guys cut down on the quote tree? It makes it very difficult to read...


Ok I'll accept your explanation as why it's for cost saving, but if it's illegal for them to do it, them should be for every other tech selling company...

Sorry, About the three.


And it is.  It's illegal to remove or stop supporting a feature you advertise.  Who said it was only illegal for sony.  If MS tried to disable DVD viewing or the wii... well the wii doesn't do anything but play games does it?  I guess remove gamecube games.

It'd be just as illegal.



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Kasz216 on 06 April 2011
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And about people complain about taking of Other/OS support going against the benefits to health and militar research... Did they needed to upgrade their firmware??? I don't think so, those PS3 weren't used to play games... I didn't saw any of the Supercomputer users complaining about the removal of other/OS just people that think homebrew is a civil right even if it make pirating rampant.

And the Dreamcast comparison is really good, put the console that bankrupted and took Sega from console development to say piracy don't harm... nice one.

If you didn't see any of the supercomputer users complaing, you weren't looking.

Lots of them did complain.  Including the US Airforce.

 

"We checked in with the Air Force Research Laboratory, which noted its disappointment with the Sony decision. "We will have to continue to use the systems we already have in hand," the lab told Ars, but "this will make it difficult to replace systems that break or fail. The refurbished PS3s also have the problem that when they come back from Sony, they have the firmware (gameOS) and it will not allow Other OS, which seems wrong. We are aware of class-action lawsuits against Sony for taking away this option on systems that used to have it.""


And yeah, piracy wasn't why the dreamcast failed.  The Dreamcast failed because of dumb hardware mistakes... everyone knows this, your just kinda... throwing shit against a wall and hoping it sticks at this point. 

I mean, it's pretty obvious you just want to support sony... because... and don't actually have a coherent line of reasoning for doing so.


I don't support Sony as I don't receive a paycheck.

And they can't buy a new PS3slim to put there, when the Slim never had Other/OS, failed.

Refurbished PS3, Sony fix the PS3 and send it back properly updated, did they tried to fix with 3rd parties (this are still legal you know)?

And the US Army can also sue Sony or never buy their thing again if they seem it is wrong, but they bought the PS3 because it was a lot cheaper option at the time.

What I don't support is hiding behind Civil Rights for doing harmfull things (isn't your case, but you know that a lot of people hiting Sony are doing for their own reasons masked behind the Other/OS remove).

About Dreamcast, you can't choose the problems for it failure, it's always a sum of problems. To say piracy didn't contribute whatsoever isn't really smart. If you want to say Piracy don't harm a company at least use PS2 or CoD since them got really pirated and still breathed.


By your logic.  One of the Reasons Dreamcast failed was Sonic Adventures.   Can't pick and choose!



Piracy isn't why the Dreamcast failed, because the Dreamcast had an extremly high tie ratio.  Higher then the PS2 at a comprable time, higher then the Gamecube or 360 at a comprable time.

The Dreamcast sold more software then it should have based on the number of consoles it sold.

 

So you literally can not blame piracy.


And Sony supported homebrew (begin time of PSP) and Linux (up until 2010 on PS3) more than any other console company, so by your logic Sony couldn't be caled bastards greedy mofos.

You can't use GeoHotz lawyers documents stating that Sony did take of Other/OS because of cost as the true yet, lawyers interpret documents in their best interest. Sony never tried to take down other/os before Hotz exploits.

I'll lunch when i get back we can still talk.

That wasn't Geohotz lawyers documents.  So, i'm guessing you didn't bother to read.


Again?  Your not making any sense though.  Also going off topic.

As for Sony's support of Homebrew.... um....are you talking about the same Sony who sued someone into the ground for teaching his robot dog new tricks?

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/02/sonys-war-on-makers-hackers-and-innovators.html

 

Because your defenses aginst hacking and homebrewing are incompetant compaired to your competitors doesn't make you "more open" to homebrew.

Really, any company doing this would be facing the same scrutiny, being Nintendo or Microsoft.   Or at least MOST of it anyway, since some of it likely is due to the fact that Sony does this a LOT.


You can also look up for the time when Sony had a support homebrew in PSP, it was official and even were in their forum.

About the innovators. Why don't the genius figure out how to put a bluray driver on a Xbox, create a homebrew and play PS3 games there, none of these is illegal. Better try to do something teach everybody how to and lead to piracy - doens't matter if it's good or bad for gaming it's still illegal.

You can say that what i say is illogical as much as you want. But have you seem any of those hackers figuring out ways to improve the PS3 for everybody and sending Sony information on How to make the system better and more safe or they trying to take advantage of exploits?

Hahaha, so now your convinced hackers are in a giant conspiracy vs Sony.

Also, you do know the 360 is hacked and allows homebrew right?


Not convinced that they are on giant conspiracy. But even so i don't see any of them releasing things to do things better, they are basically each one looking for their own interests. Just don't cover it as everyone else interest and rights that they are caring for.

360 doesn't allow homebrew, the hack enable homebrew there is a little difference... but if sony is evil and you can't stand them, just hack a 360 (as people say that Xbox is more powerfull and better in everything) so that you can run PS3 games also - and of course don't buy Sony 1st party as they are evil also.


It wouldn't be illegal to enable PS3 games to be played on a 360 by the way.  That's actually what the Bleem lawsuit settled, it would be totally legal for someone to make their own "Playstationz thrid" that played PS3 games if they wanted, or conversion kits so your PS3 could play wii games or whatever.

The only reason nobody does is.... well because the companies will put you in lawsuit hell and cost you your livelyhood, so it's not worth it... and the bigger companies don't feel like antagonizing each other.

It ain't like Microsoft is any "less evil" it's just they focus more on big groups and less on individuals, they're just less petty.

 As for them "Releasing things to do things better" you do realize that's why Geohotz is being sued right?

Becuase he made his PS3 better and released the information so that everybody could make their PS3 better.  If they did only care about themselves, Sony wouldn't be sueing anyone.

Bleem could play .iso and illegal copies, so it isn't a homebrew it's also a pirate enabling system, so they aren't 100% right... i even used it sometime to play my PS games when i were traveling and couldn't pick up my PSX.

Owww so you make your console better by releasing information that lead to piracy publicly or sending information to the developer so they can apply it to the console and make it better for everybody - not just homebrewers and GeoHotz followers... And braging because you circunvented a device isn't a attitude of someone that is helping but from a attention seeker - even if his work could be used for good it were 100x used for bad reasons.


Yeah, no they aren't.  It doesn't matter if a product can play pirated games as long as it has legal aplications.  You really should read up on, any part of a conversation before you try an argue something and pretend your right.



Kasz216 on 06 April 2011
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So since we techinically don't own our PS3s does this mean I get my $900 back that I have spent on the (2) consoles?

If not, then do I at least get back $450 since I own only half of it?

 

 

I also wonder why people think that you do not have the right to do whatever the hell you wish your PS3 whether it be hardware or software.

If they decided that it is perfectly within my rights to do so with my smartphone then what makes my PS3 any different?

 

It voids your warranty and you could be banned from PSN, alright. Don't knock my door in though.


Exactly, Right on target.


Thanks... i live in Brazil, i have freedom of speech and because of hacking community we don't have official support and our games cost 2,5x more than on USA... now i think i should thanks pirating and hacking to stand to my rights.


That has nothing to do with hacking.... and everything to do with the GIANT import tax on foreign goods in brazil.

It's also why piracy is so high.


Owwww I see, so Sony doesn't control governments to make their decisions favour them??? I though people were saying that you can't win against Sony because they own the judicial with their deep pockets...

So in reality governments act on their own?? Interesting toughs, and are governments that makes law not Sony. If Sony can use the judicial system so can you, go there and sue Sony in grounds that it's illegal to take of other/os or sue GeoHotz, maybe you win.

Uhh... what?

You need to take a deep breath, calm down, realize your kinda flaming and in general, acting really illogical.   Your profile says your 26... but your making that pretty hard to believe... espiecally with Ignorance on your own countries economic policies and for why shit is so expensive in brazil.  I mean heck, you just raised tarriffs even more on various stuff recently.

Also, Sony is being sued for removing Other OS.  In a case they might lose specifically because they are argueing two completely contradictory things in that case and the Geohotz case.

Yep i'm 26... and I know everything in Brazil is really highly taxed... but a lot of companies have tax incentives, and if Sony were the corrupt greedy they sure could buy some legislators to put tax on technology they would export to here really low.

Yes and this is how it should be, if you think removal of other/os is illegal sue and you may win... don't try cyber terrorysm saying it's the only solution.

What advantage would sony gain from lowering the import tax on videogames?

I mean, it's just as expensive for Wii and 360, the brazillian tech industry is laugable and the Brazillian market isn't big enough to be worth the effort.  I mean hell, even Apple won't put stores there when directly asked by government officials.

They could, so could MS, or Nintendo.  Your country just isn't worth it.

As for the bolded.  I agree with you there.  I just have zero sympathy for sony.  It's like seeing a car thief get his house toliet papered.

Sure, what happened to him sucked, but i'm supposed to have sympathy because the car theif had to pull some toliet paper off his trees?

Please.


Probably Sony wouldn't have any benefit, or MS... owww wait, they know have official support for PS3 (because it was pirate free for the time being) and it know you don't pay 2000 reais (1400 dollars -) but 1200 reais (750 dollars) so they have interest. But thanks to the pleasants words about my country, you really seems like a nice person.

So you compare Sony using legal system to be a thief, and hackers doing illegal thing as prankers, interesting.

It's not kind or unkind words about your country.  It's just the simple fact that it's not worth it.  It is what it is.

Also yes?

Shutting down giant corporations and putting people into millions and millions of dollars of debt, in lawsuits you know you would lose, so you stretch out the procedings so people have to give up due to financial reasons and taking away vital promised features of a product is a LOT worse then a DDOS attack, that takes down a website for like... a couple hours... and maybe slows the site for another hour or two two.

You know that if you can't hire a lawyer you can have one for free don't you? So if you are poor you still alowed a defense and a right to be heard, and every case is streched, even if you do peer against peer or against government.

And vital promised features seems like it's impossible to turn on the PS3 without it... and i don't mind they doing DDOS for the rest of their lifes, just don't try to sound as they are doing it for the interest of consumers, they are doing for theirs consumer interest, it's different.

Actually no.

Public Defenders are only for Criminal Trials.

Besides, if how much you spent on your lawyers didn't help, sony wouldn't be spending over 1.5 million dollars in the "battle" vs Geohotz.


If you can pay for something it means it is bad?? You can buy a car for 5000,00 or 5.000.000,00 both will take you to your destination.

And I'll agree with you that having money to expend on lawyers can help your case, but even if you expend 1 billion on a court case I don't think you can erase a emend of the constitution...

On a lot of my mother trials, she were a lawyer for common people against companies worth some 100 million or more, and guess what most cases she won... when you are right the chances that you'll win are pretty good.

Not if they drag out the proceedings until your out of money.

Which is what happens in the US.

Though actually you might win, like Bleem did, but you'll go out of buisness in winning.

As will anyone after who tries the same thing, since they'll just sue you as well even though they've already lost the exact same case.

Which is what Sony does.  Which you'd know.

If you bothered to read that above article.  Your just going into circles making arguements that have already been disproven....

I mean we covered this "No free lawyers in civil cases".

Ok won't discuss about free lawyers, but in a mass action suit you can have the lawyer at lower cost - and mitigated between all members - and great part of his profit going after they win the case and sony have to pay the damage... and also I bet a lot of gamers are lawyers why don't unite?? I saw so many members here that sounds as if professional in law - they think they are - that if they got together they could sue sony, let them try it.

And you know you can sue Sony in other countries don't you? Try a cheaper one, choose your jurisdiction - as Sony is doing with GeoHotz - to the one that is most favorable to you... you may even try the OMC chambers, global jurisdiction. Saying that the only way to defeat Sony that cheats using legal methods is using illegal methods isn't a real answer... and I know you are much more inteligent than this.

No you can't. If your a US citizen and try and sue Sony in Europe, the case would be dismissed.

This is why though in Europe, if you were pissed about Sony removing other OS you could get your money back.

Sony KNEW they couldn't stall as much there.

Heck, as it stands today, Sony will probably lose this case and have to refile in NJ.  Of course, that doesn't mean much to Sony, who have deep pockets... though for Geohotz.

By trying to sue him in cali, it really is just another case of Sony's underhanded and unethical practices.


Unethical?? Sony could be even worst and sue him in Japan, they perhaps would be forbided. And i didn't say for you as a american to sue in Europe, but the hackers are everywere aren't they? So sue them where you have a member in a court that is better for you - companies always choose the best venues for them, you may also do it.

It isn't unethical or underhanded to sue were you have better chances it's how law is played since ever.

And if in NJ it's easier to win, so fill your case against Sony there... and doesn't matter the Sony deep pockets, they already bleed some billions with PS3 so i think they don't expend money on suit cases just for fun.


Er, no it isn't... and Sony couldn't file in Japan, are you really 26?  Look up a thing called "Jurisdiction"

You don't just file in whatever country gives you the best chance of winning.

The problem we seem to be having is that you have a complete lack of understanding of how the law system works... everywhere.

You keep trying to argue things that are just... unbelievably false... that anyone should know.



DonFerrari on 06 April 2011

So if something can do legal things doesn't matter if they can also do illegal??? Interesting, so selling Nuclear material should be legal.

And about removing feature, Sony didn't hacked any console or without notice took features... they stoped supporting a content.

Will wait for you too sue MS as you can't use Office 2007 on DOS.

And while at the advertised features, the best link someone got for Sony add of Linux were a interview in television.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 06 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
DonFerrari said:
Kasz216 said:
DonFerrari said:
Kasz216 said:
DonFerrari said:
Kasz216 said:
DonFerrari said:
Kasz216 said:
DonFerrari said:
Kasz216 said:
DonFerrari said:
Kasz216 said:
DonFerrari said:
Kasz216 said:
DonFerrari said:
bannedagain said:
Euphoria14 said:

So since we techinically don't own our PS3s does this mean I get my $900 back that I have spent on the (2) consoles?

If not, then do I at least get back $450 since I own only half of it?

 

 

I also wonder why people think that you do not have the right to do whatever the hell you wish your PS3 whether it be hardware or software.

If they decided that it is perfectly within my rights to do so with my smartphone then what makes my PS3 any different?

 

It voids your warranty and you could be banned from PSN, alright. Don't knock my door in though.


Exactly, Right on target.


Thanks... i live in Brazil, i have freedom of speech and because of hacking community we don't have official support and our games cost 2,5x more than on USA... now i think i should thanks pirating and hacking to stand to my rights.


That has nothing to do with hacking.... and everything to do with the GIANT import tax on foreign goods in brazil.

It's also why piracy is so high.


Owwww I see, so Sony doesn't control governments to make their decisions favour them??? I though people were saying that you can't win against Sony because they own the judicial with their deep pockets...

So in reality governments act on their own?? Interesting toughs, and are governments that makes law not Sony. If Sony can use the judicial system so can you, go there and sue Sony in grounds that it's illegal to take of other/os or sue GeoHotz, maybe you win.

Uhh... what?

You need to take a deep breath, calm down, realize your kinda flaming and in general, acting really illogical.   Your profile says your 26... but your making that pretty hard to believe... espiecally with Ignorance on your own countries economic policies and for why shit is so expensive in brazil.  I mean heck, you just raised tarriffs even more on various stuff recently.

Also, Sony is being sued for removing Other OS.  In a case they might lose specifically because they are argueing two completely contradictory things in that case and the Geohotz case.

Yep i'm 26... and I know everything in Brazil is really highly taxed... but a lot of companies have tax incentives, and if Sony were the corrupt greedy they sure could buy some legislators to put tax on technology they would export to here really low.

Yes and this is how it should be, if you think removal of other/os is illegal sue and you may win... don't try cyber terrorysm saying it's the only solution.

What advantage would sony gain from lowering the import tax on videogames?

I mean, it's just as expensive for Wii and 360, the brazillian tech industry is laugable and the Brazillian market isn't big enough to be worth the effort.  I mean hell, even Apple won't put stores there when directly asked by government officials.

They could, so could MS, or Nintendo.  Your country just isn't worth it.

As for the bolded.  I agree with you there.  I just have zero sympathy for sony.  It's like seeing a car thief get his house toliet papered.

Sure, what happened to him sucked, but i'm supposed to have sympathy because the car theif had to pull some toliet paper off his trees?

Please.


Probably Sony wouldn't have any benefit, or MS... owww wait, they know have official support for PS3 (because it was pirate free for the time being) and it know you don't pay 2000 reais (1400 dollars -) but 1200 reais (750 dollars) so they have interest. But thanks to the pleasants words about my country, you really seems like a nice person.

So you compare Sony using legal system to be a thief, and hackers doing illegal thing as prankers, interesting.

It's not kind or unkind words about your country.  It's just the simple fact that it's not worth it.  It is what it is.

Also yes?

Shutting down giant corporations and putting people into millions and millions of dollars of debt, in lawsuits you know you would lose, so you stretch out the procedings so people have to give up due to financial reasons and taking away vital promised features of a product is a LOT worse then a DDOS attack, that takes down a website for like... a couple hours... and maybe slows the site for another hour or two two.

You know that if you can't hire a lawyer you can have one for free don't you? So if you are poor you still alowed a defense and a right to be heard, and every case is streched, even if you do peer against peer or against government.

And vital promised features seems like it's impossible to turn on the PS3 without it... and i don't mind they doing DDOS for the rest of their lifes, just don't try to sound as they are doing it for the interest of consumers, they are doing for theirs consumer interest, it's different.

Actually no.

Public Defenders are only for Criminal Trials.

Besides, if how much you spent on your lawyers didn't help, sony wouldn't be spending over 1.5 million dollars in the "battle" vs Geohotz.


If you can pay for something it means it is bad?? You can buy a car for 5000,00 or 5.000.000,00 both will take you to your destination.

And I'll agree with you that having money to expend on lawyers can help your case, but even if you expend 1 billion on a court case I don't think you can erase a emend of the constitution...

On a lot of my mother trials, she were a lawyer for common people against companies worth some 100 million or more, and guess what most cases she won... when you are right the chances that you'll win are pretty good.

Not if they drag out the proceedings until your out of money.

Which is what happens in the US.

Though actually you might win, like Bleem did, but you'll go out of buisness in winning.

As will anyone after who tries the same thing, since they'll just sue you as well even though they've already lost the exact same case.

Which is what Sony does.  Which you'd know.

If you bothered to read that above article.  Your just going into circles making arguements that have already been disproven....

I mean we covered this "No free lawyers in civil cases".

Ok won't discuss about free lawyers, but in a mass action suit you can have the lawyer at lower cost - and mitigated between all members - and great part of his profit going after they win the case and sony have to pay the damage... and also I bet a lot of gamers are lawyers why don't unite?? I saw so many members here that sounds as if professional in law - they think they are - that if they got together they could sue sony, let them try it.

And you know you can sue Sony in other countries don't you? Try a cheaper one, choose your jurisdiction - as Sony is doing with GeoHotz - to the one that is most favorable to you... you may even try the OMC chambers, global jurisdiction. Saying that the only way to defeat Sony that cheats using legal methods is using illegal methods isn't a real answer... and I know you are much more inteligent than this.

No you can't. If your a US citizen and try and sue Sony in Europe, the case would be dismissed.

This is why though in Europe, if you were pissed about Sony removing other OS you could get your money back.

Sony KNEW they couldn't stall as much there.

Heck, as it stands today, Sony will probably lose this case and have to refile in NJ.  Of course, that doesn't mean much to Sony, who have deep pockets... though for Geohotz.

By trying to sue him in cali, it really is just another case of Sony's underhanded and unethical practices.


Unethical?? Sony could be even worst and sue him in Japan, they perhaps would be forbided. And i didn't say for you as a american to sue in Europe, but the hackers are everywere aren't they? So sue them where you have a member in a court that is better for you - companies always choose the best venues for them, you may also do it.

It isn't unethical or underhanded to sue were you have better chances it's how law is played since ever.

And if in NJ it's easier to win, so fill your case against Sony there... and doesn't matter the Sony deep pockets, they already bleed some billions with PS3 so i think they don't expend money on suit cases just for fun.


Er, no it isn't... and Sony couldn't file in Japan, are you really 26?  Look up a thing called "Jurisdiction"

You don't just file in whatever country gives you the best chance of winning.

The problem we seem to be having is that you have a complete lack of understanding of how the law system works... everywhere.

Yes you can, the thing is that you will be denied the case... And if you see a lot of products you buy the legal forum for the product if you want to prosecute them is in foreign country, look it up.

And yes companies file where is better for then... LG and Sony sues each other in a lot of regions, one law suit don't cover all the planet.

And as people think if Sony wins they can go to your home and arrest you, I'll wait for them to come here to arrest people in brazil because of a decision in the US.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

dsister on 06 April 2011
DonFerrari said:

Yes you can, the thing is that you will be denied the case... And if you see a lot of products you buy the legal forum for the product if you want to prosecute them is in foreign country, look it up.

And yes companies file where is better for then... LG and Sony sues each other in a lot of regions, one law suit don't cover all the planet.

And as people think if Sony wins they can go to your home and arrest you, I'll wait for them to come here to arrest people in brazil because of a decision in the US.





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