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oniyide said:

^^^^i have a Ninty handheld i still wont play Pokemon, it reminds me of the yearly Sports games updates, whats the point

Well the problem with Pokemon was that the first two generations were the best, although the higher resolution remakes are appreciated.

I unno, I don't see a difference between a new Pokemon and a new Killzone, or Halo. Sports games see a new edition every year, and most of the time the changes to are just a new list of players. This is only the fifth new Pokemon in 15 years, and they change the overall maps and dungeons too, not just the Pokemon. Once every 3 years isn't that bad. It would be a better game if they changed the system, and made some interesting Pokemon, but of well.

In the future I'm prolly not getting a Nintendo or Sony handheld again anyway. It's just soo expensive now, and if I really want to play something on the go I have a cell phone.



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Michael-5 said:
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Michael-5 said:

Well..... I'm still waiting on a great Final Fantasy. So far Lost Odyssey was the only good JRPG from Square Enix and the people who left it (Mistwalkers). Everything else is good, but nothing special. WRPG's seem to be taking the show.

Hmm. For me Final Fantasy XIII was the best game of this whole generation. Its storytelling reached another level of intensity and I am really looking forward to FF XIII-2. Even if FF XIII is getting harsh critics it is well regarded in Japan and most of europe... It was game of the Year in 2009 in Japan and in Germany it won the overall Game of the year 2010 on Animax (fan polls).

On the other hand I have yet to play a single WRPG that I could like even a single bit. Oblivion was one of the worst games this gen for me... The lack of a good main story made it the most boring game I have ever played for more than 30 hours.... and sidequests are mostly repetitive and meaningless ways of stretching the game length...

Dragon Age was the next heavy dissapointment. My wife fell asleep during the first origin story because it was simply not very exciting. And this dialogue system just ruins the pace of the game... everytime a dialogue starts you are interrupted and have to choose an answer without actually knowing what will happen and I always feared that I could miss something important by chosing the wrong dialogue option and I would have to play through the game again... so I always felt stressed and couldn't enjoy the story (that wasn't told in a thrilling way anyway)... and what where the developers thinking about your characters armor covered with blood after fights...simply disgusting.

Mass Effect 2 was the next hyped game that I couldn't enjoy a single bit. It played more like a Shooter than like a RPG and I hated that dialogue system again.

I could go further into detail but i don't want to ruin the games for their fans. I just wanted to point out that many features of WRPGS can also be seen as really awful game design choices.

Well, and even if Pokemon is selling millions of copies... I personally do not regard Pokemon as true JRPG because of the lack of story, character development and moral dilemmas... its more its own genre... monster training simulation or something like that.

Clearly your a JRPG fan, but have you played the older Final Fantasies? FFXIII doesn't light a match compared to Final Fantasy V and VI, and a lot of people love VII and VIII.

You should give Lost Odyssey a try, it's somewhat better then FFXIII, more original, less linear, and just better. I'm going to boot up Infinite Undiscovery and Tales of Vesperia over the summer. I have a lot of JRPG's to catch up on.

Still, just because you're not a fan of WRPG's doesn't mean they suck this gen. The JRPG genre has been on a downward spiral since the SNES and arguably the PS1 days. You jsut don't see as many good JRPG's as you did back then, and NONE to the level of quality Chrono Trigger, FFVI, and Super Mario RPG were at.

This gen, WRPG's are kicking JRPG's butts. FFXIII won GOTY on 1 website, well Mass Effect 2 won it on most websites. Even then FFXIII is one JRPG, what else has there been thats been good and sold well lately? Demon Souls, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean, Valkeria Chonicles, those are all 2008/2009 games, they are old. There are a few good ones coming this fall, but not many (Dark Souls, XenoBlade). In the last 2 years the WRPG genre has seen Mass Effect 2, Fallout NV, and Dragon Age 2 to name a few, and this fall were going to see Mass Effect 3 and Elder Scrolls 5.

jrpgs are only loing to wrpgs this gen in sales to me. you said to name a few regarding wrpgs but honestly those were most of the good ones. Ive seen more garbage wrpgs this jen than jrpgs. Also ff5 really doesnt compare to ff13 on any level its story was meh lol. And saying that jrpgs have been on a downard spiral is just opinion based to me cause ive played alot of great jrpgs this gen some with better qualities than the snes and ps1 days.



So...nothing happened then? That was upsetting. I WANT INFO NOW!



 

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Michael-5 said:

Clearly your a JRPG fan, but have you played the older Final Fantasies? FFXIII doesn't light a match compared to Final Fantasy V and VI, and a lot of people love VII and VIII.

You should give Lost Odyssey a try, it's somewhat better then FFXIII, more original, less linear, and just better. I'm going to boot up Infinite Undiscovery and Tales of Vesperia over the summer. I have a lot of JRPG's to catch up on.

Still, just because you're not a fan of WRPG's doesn't mean they suck this gen. The JRPG genre has been on a downward spiral since the SNES and arguably the PS1 days. You jsut don't see as many good JRPG's as you did back then, and NONE to the level of quality Chrono Trigger, FFVI, and Super Mario RPG were at.

This gen, WRPG's are kicking JRPG's butts. FFXIII won GOTY on 1 website, well Mass Effect 2 won it on most websites. Even then FFXIII is one JRPG, what else has there been thats been good and sold well lately? Demon Souls, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean, Valkeria Chonicles, those are all 2008/2009 games, they are old. There are a few good ones coming this fall, but not many (Dark Souls, XenoBlade). In the last 2 years the WRPG genre has seen Mass Effect 2, Fallout NV, and Dragon Age 2 to name a few, and this fall were going to see Mass Effect 3 and Elder Scrolls 5.

I have played every single FF so far, and my favourites are FF XIII, FF X and FF VII, although I liked all of them very much. But to be honest I liked FF 4 the most of the SNES-FFs (although they were not released in the EU initially). Especially FF6 is the only FF that I stopped halfway through (the loading times of the PS1 were horrible, but I finished the GBA version...It had too much characters in my opinion which dragged the story down a bit). I started gaming with the NES, but I have to admit that gaming evolved and the PS2 Era had absolutely amazing games.

The one thing that I really like about JRPGs is that they focus on the story. The story is not pure entertainment but wants you to think about moral dilemmas. It feels more like watching a theatre play than watching a movie. FF 7 wants to make you think about the environment, FF X about blind believe, FF XIII about propaganda and the Holocaust. And there are more themes in every games... you get the impression that the stories are really meaningful... Oblivion lacked every single bit of meaningfulness for me... as every other WRPG I have played so far. That does not mean that they "suck"per se. Just that the JRPGS have set the bar for my expectations regarding storytelling so high that the WRPG feels so lacking that ultimately they felt like I was wasting my time... I just can enjoy nonlinear gameplay, moral systems (they just feel like an excuse to behave like an a**hole) , first person view or these decision systems...

There was a general lack of japanese games this generation. Konami only had 1 Metal Gear Solid, Square-Enix only FF 13 and Star Ocean 4 (and some externally developed western trash like Front Mission Evolved, Kane & Lynch and Just Cause 2) and Capcom .... why have  they started to "westernize" their games....

FF XIII still sold more than any WRPG this gen on consoles...



Conegamer said:

So...nothing happened then? That was upsetting. I WANT INFO NOW!


It's Namco expect nothing and maybe you will be pleasantly suprised.



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@alphachris  Fallout 3 sold more than FF13, just saying



Zlejedi said:
Conegamer said:

So...nothing happened then? That was upsetting. I WANT INFO NOW!


It's Namco expect nothing and maybe you will be pleasantly suprised.

I suppose your right

Soon...soon...



 

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oniyide said:

@alphachris  Fallout 3 sold more than FF13, just saying


no it didnt



Mad55 said:
oniyide said:

@alphachris  Fallout 3 sold more than FF13, just saying


no it didnt



This



umm yes it did. FF13 is at 6.36 mil  Fallout 3 is at 6.91 mil, thats not even counting the US PC numbers which Vgchartz doesnt have, but dont take my word for it look for yourself