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ssj12 on 02 April 2011
vlad321 said:
dobby985 said:
cory.ok said:
Zkuq said:
zarx said:

pah they didn't make Dragon age 2 for the "console" crowd they made it for the CoD crowd. They even came out and said that they were making an RPG that people that think they can't play RPGs because they are to complex.

I always felt the made it for the Mass Effect crowd.

cory.ok said:

1. there was also a mention of bad ports to computers, from my presopective computer gamers should be thanking the consoles for those ports, without the huge instal base of consoles there wouldnt be enough money to go around for the developers, meaning no game at all in many cases.

2. and one last point about dedicated servers, if a game doesnt get a dedicated server its not because of a console (console games can have dedicated servers too!) but rather a buisness decision, just a way to cut the cost of upkeep.

1. Without consoles, we'd be pretty close to having only PC gaming. Obviously in such case, PC games would sell a lot better and maybe we'd actually get content instead of all money spent on graphics and such.

2. PC game servers are typically paid for by gamers, not publishers, meaning it's not that different for the publisher whether they use dedicated servers or p2p.

1. even if there was only pc gaming, the barrier to entry for pc gaming is much higher, not everyone who buys a console would buy a gaming computer.

2. i cant think of any games where the playerbase, rather than a develop or publisher, supplies dedicated servers that are used, could you help me out?

CS:S, CS 1.6, DoD:S, TF2 etc...

UTs, Quakes, BFs,.....


COD 1 - 4, WarRock, Warsaw, L4D (yes there are dedicated servers), serious sam, Monday Night Combat, The Ship, GTR Revolution, Eternal Silence, America's Army. Alien Swarm, Sin, Killing Floor, RACE On, Mare Nostrum, Zombie Panic. Mount & Blade.

Do we need to list more?



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leatherhat on 02 April 2011
vlad321 said:
leatherhat said:
pizzahut451 said:
ssj12 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
MrBubbles said:

sounds like pc gamers should be happy just to get any games at all with the amount of whining. 


Or you know, conole owners coudl wisen up and demand features that are lacking in their games, like mods, like good customers, not rewarding companies by bending over for them.


Nah, I dont need a 12 year old riding my ass with his ''rules'' and pretending to be 2nd Jesus on the server otherwise I#ll get banned. Lets pray to God that a community like the one on CS never hits PSN or Xbox live


apparently you have no idea how mods work at all.

I played CS quite a lot before, and I dont need those arrogant fuckhead mods warning me and banning me because I play the way I want and dont follow their ''rules'' on gameplay


Oh boy

All I got from that is "I'm a dick on servers, and/or hack, and I am pissed that others can stop that." I guess LIVE is a perfect place for him.


He'll even have the privelage of paying for it!



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pizzahut451 on 02 April 2011
vlad321 said:
leatherhat said:
pizzahut451 said:
ssj12 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
MrBubbles said:

sounds like pc gamers should be happy just to get any games at all with the amount of whining. 


Or you know, conole owners coudl wisen up and demand features that are lacking in their games, like mods, like good customers, not rewarding companies by bending over for them.


Nah, I dont need a 12 year old riding my ass with his ''rules'' and pretending to be 2nd Jesus on the server otherwise I#ll get banned. Lets pray to God that a community like the one on CS never hits PSN or Xbox live


apparently you have no idea how mods work at all.

I played CS quite a lot before, and I dont need those arrogant fuckhead mods warning me and banning me because I play the way I want and dont follow their ''rules'' on gameplay


Oh boy

All I got from that is "I'm a dick on servers, and/or hack, and I am pissed that others can stop that." I guess LIVE is a perfect place for him.


Than learn to read better. Im not complaining about the normal rules on servers (no teamkilling, racism, insults, cheats etc etc...) im complaining about those arrogant assholes who think they have the right to tell me how can i play the game, what weapons should and shouldnt I use, what tactic should i play, what routeshould i take and so on...



pizzahut451 on 02 April 2011
leatherhat said:
vlad321 said:
leatherhat said:
pizzahut451 said:
ssj12 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
MrBubbles said:

sounds like pc gamers should be happy just to get any games at all with the amount of whining. 


Or you know, conole owners coudl wisen up and demand features that are lacking in their games, like mods, like good customers, not rewarding companies by bending over for them.


Nah, I dont need a 12 year old riding my ass with his ''rules'' and pretending to be 2nd Jesus on the server otherwise I#ll get banned. Lets pray to God that a community like the one on CS never hits PSN or Xbox live


apparently you have no idea how mods work at all.

I played CS quite a lot before, and I dont need those arrogant fuckhead mods warning me and banning me because I play the way I want and dont follow their ''rules'' on gameplay


Oh boy

All I got from that is "I'm a dick on servers, and/or hack, and I am pissed that others can stop that." I guess LIVE is a perfect place for him.


He'll even have the privelage of paying for it!

I dont even have an Xbox, I use PSN which is a lot more strickt than LIVE



pizzahut451 on 02 April 2011
ssj12 said:
pizzahut451 said:
ssj12 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
MrBubbles said:

sounds like pc gamers should be happy just to get any games at all with the amount of whining. 


Or you know, conole owners coudl wisen up and demand features that are lacking in their games, like mods, like good customers, not rewarding companies by bending over for them.


Nah, I dont need a 12 year old riding my ass with his ''rules'' and pretending to be 2nd Jesus on the server otherwise I#ll get banned. Lets pray to God that a community like the one on CS never hits PSN or Xbox live


apparently you have no idea how mods work at all.

I played CS quite a lot before, and I dont need those arrogant fuckhead mods warning me and banning me because I play the way I want and dont follow their ''rules'' on gameplay

ya... your confusing admins to game mods that CHANGE HOW A GAME IS PLAYED. Like ADDING A LAZER CANNON INTO COUNTER STRIKE. And apparently you don't know that Counter Strike was originally a mod for Half Life.

And rules are in games for a reason. I support rules like no (purposely) teamkilling, no awp (sometimes), no racism, no being an a**hole,  and play the game as intended! And most of the time I agree with no one under the age of 12 are allowed to speak on mic as half the time i was to strangle them.

Really its people who do not follow those simple rules that ruin the game for everyone else.

Yet I am not complaining about those rules



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Mr Puggsly on 02 April 2011
vlad321 said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Puggsly said:

What a bullshit article, its piracy that's hurting PC gaming. PC isn't the main focus of developers because it generates significantly less profits than consoles.

Developers could definitely raise the bar by taking advantage of modern PC gaming technology. But what's the point? The masses are just going to steal it.

Yeah, it's as simple as that.


And the consoles have the used game market, which hurts the developers more than any piracy. Even if you assume piracy is as bad (which is a luaghabley wrong assumption in itself), the used game market is worse.

Hmmm... bullshit.

The Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, and DS deal with the used sales, rentals, and piracy. Yet they still do a significantly better job at selling games than the PC.

Just take a look at all the PC game sales we see on every digital distribution site. That's developers trying collect whatever money they can from the PC gaming market thanks rampant to piracy. There are also endless free games to play on PC and that's huge competition for games being sold.



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vlad321 on 02 April 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
vlad321 said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Puggsly said:

What a bullshit article, its piracy that's hurting PC gaming. PC isn't the main focus of developers because it generates significantly less profits than consoles.

Developers could definitely raise the bar by taking advantage of modern PC gaming technology. But what's the point? The masses are just going to steal it.

Yeah, it's as simple as that.


And the consoles have the used game market, which hurts the developers more than any piracy. Even if you assume piracy is as bad (which is a luaghabley wrong assumption in itself), the used game market is worse.

Hmmm... bullshit.

The Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, and DS deal with the used sales, rentals, and piracy. Yet they still do a significantly better job at selling games than the PC.

Just take a look at all the PC game sales we see on every digital distribution site. That's developers trying collect whatever money they can from the PC gaming market thanks rampant piracy. There are also endless free games to play on PC and that's huge competition for games being sold.


They don't deal with any of those, especially used sales. Used sales are as damaging to the developer as piracy. The reason PC games don't sell much in recent times is the exact topic of this thread. Games have been sucking hard. Unlike consoles, I can play games from before this generation so I don't have to buy the crap from this one, therefore I buy less.



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Mr Puggsly on 02 April 2011
vlad321 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
vlad321 said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Puggsly said:

What a bullshit article, its piracy that's hurting PC gaming. PC isn't the main focus of developers because it generates significantly less profits than consoles.

Developers could definitely raise the bar by taking advantage of modern PC gaming technology. But what's the point? The masses are just going to steal it.

Yeah, it's as simple as that.


And the consoles have the used game market, which hurts the developers more than any piracy. Even if you assume piracy is as bad (which is a luaghabley wrong assumption in itself), the used game market is worse.

Hmmm... bullshit.

The Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, and DS deal with the used sales, rentals, and piracy. Yet they still do a significantly better job at selling games than the PC.

Just take a look at all the PC game sales we see on every digital distribution site. That's developers trying collect whatever money they can from the PC gaming market thanks rampant piracy. There are also endless free games to play on PC and that's huge competition for games being sold.


They don't deal with any of those, especially used sales. Used sales are as damaging to the developer as piracy. The reason PC games don't sell much in recent times is the exact topic of this thread. Games have been sucking hard. Unlike consoles, I can play games from before this generation so I don't have to buy the crap from this one, therefore I buy less.

You say used sales are as damaging as piracy with no argument. Your statment has no ground.

One key thing to remember about used games on the market is they were sold and the publishers/developers made a profit for that sale at one time. A pirated game was never sold and no profit was ever made. Hence, piracy is more damaging and too many PC gamers are used to their games being free.

Your argument about games sucking this generation is an opinion and irrelevant. Regardless how you feel about them, many PC gamers are still playing them but too many are stealing. That's hurting the PC gaming industry more so than consoles ever could.



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Squilliam on 02 April 2011

People will buy the games they want to buy and developers will make the games the want to make. Theres actually 0 reason to actually argue about any of this because the PC as a games platform and consoles are the result of decisions made by people, they shouldn't be treated as actual entities by themselves.

 



Tease.

cory.ok on 02 April 2011

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