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vlad321 on 03 April 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
vlad321 said:


And you state piracy is damaging without an argument. Your statement has no ground as well. My argument is simple. When you go buy a game used, the developer sees nothing. You play the game for free, as far as the developer is concerned. Same as piracy.

A pirated game is also bought initially. Someone had to buy it to crack it open. 

Explain to me then, why is it that piracy was not this rampant before this generation? Also explain to me how the better games on the PC don't see nowhere near as much piracy? SC2 was barely 5th last year, and many people thought it was a waste of money as well. Meanwhile Black Ops was barely out for 3 weeks and was #1 overwhelmingly. What you are saying, or what you want to believe, is not supported by the data, therefore you are wrong. Not to mention that there are many studies out there that p[irates spend more on media than non-pirates. That also kind of ruins your entire belief. I expect your pispoor counter-argument which will probably be debunked by statistics.

Right, that one PC game sold potentially goes out to millions of pirates. For a used game to be sold million of times it would have to have sold millions already. The sales of used games also doesn't get consumers accustomed to games being free. This is a ridiculous argument, its just common sense that piracy is worse.

Piracy wasn't this rampant in the past because we didn't have the same technology in the past. Broadband connections is in more homes and cheaper than ever. BitTorrents have also made sharing easier than ever.

SC2 and Black Ops are popular PC games, but they still sell significantly less than many popular console games. Also, SC2 and Black Ops is no reflection on typical PC game sales.

This data you're talking about... who knows where that even came from or who they polled? There is data you're ignoring that shows how massively PC games are pirated. And just looking at where most of the software support is, its pretty obvious that most studios can not depend on PC.

So the validity of the studies is in question? Let's see what we have here:

Unbiased (as in, not RIAA, MPAA,etc. funded) researchers:

http://torrentfreak.com/game-changing-study-puts-piracy-in-perspective-110311/

US Government:

http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-recognizes-benefits-of-piracy-100413/

Dutch government, they actually noticed the economy profits from piracy:

http://torrentfreak.com/economy-profits-from-file-sharing-report-concludes-090119/

A bit unrelated to games, but this concerns anime piracy which is still piracy, Japanese government:

http://torrentfreak.com/internet-piracy-boosts-anime-sales-study-concludes-110203/

 

To sum it up. You are wrong, I am right. Good day. Your overall point of view on piracy is just fallacious in the face of these studies, and if you wanna argue against these, then you will just end up looking more like a fool.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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vlad321 on 03 April 2011
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
vlad321 said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Puggsly said:

What a bullshit article, its piracy that's hurting PC gaming. PC isn't the main focus of developers because it generates significantly less profits than consoles.

Developers could definitely raise the bar by taking advantage of modern PC gaming technology. But what's the point? The masses are just going to steal it.

Yeah, it's as simple as that.


And the consoles have the used game market, which hurts the developers more than any piracy. Even if you assume piracy is as bad (which is a luaghabley wrong assumption in itself), the used game market is worse.

Hmmm... bullshit.

The Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, and DS deal with the used sales, rentals, and piracy. Yet they still do a significantly better job at selling games than the PC.

Just take a look at all the PC game sales we see on every digital distribution site. That's developers trying collect whatever money they can from the PC gaming market thanks rampant piracy. There are also endless free games to play on PC and that's huge competition for games being sold.


They don't deal with any of those, especially used sales. Used sales are as damaging to the developer as piracy. The reason PC games don't sell much in recent times is the exact topic of this thread. Games have been sucking hard. Unlike consoles, I can play games from before this generation so I don't have to buy the crap from this one, therefore I buy less.

You can do that on consoles as well...

No they can't. The new PS3s can't even play older games. All the Wii can do is play GC games, and the 360 only goes back tot he Xbox. Considering that I'm playing X-COM, which is back from '94, I would say that the consoles half-ass that as well.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

NightDragon83 on 03 April 2011
RolStoppable said:

The title is misleading, it should be "360 and PS3, but first and foremost 360" instead of "consoles".

LOL!  Ah, good old Rol... what would we ever do without your epic snark capabilities on these threads!



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Mr Puggsly on 03 April 2011
vlad321 said:

So the validity of the studies is in question? Let's see what we have here:

Unbiased (as in, not RIAA, MPAA,etc. funded) researchers:

http://torrentfreak.com/game-changing-study-puts-piracy-in-perspective-110311/

US Government:

http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-recognizes-benefits-of-piracy-100413/

Dutch government, they actually noticed the economy profits from piracy:

http://torrentfreak.com/economy-profits-from-file-sharing-report-concludes-090119/

A bit unrelated to games, but this concerns anime piracy which is still piracy, Japanese government:

http://torrentfreak.com/internet-piracy-boosts-anime-sales-study-concludes-110203/

 

To sum it up. You are wrong, I am right. Good day. Your overall point of view on piracy is just fallacious in the face of these studies, and if you wanna argue against these, then you will just end up looking more like a fool.

Great job, now find articles that show how piracy actually helps the PC gaming industry. In case you forgot, this was about PC gaming.

I'm looking a fool? You can't even stay on topic.



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pizzahut451 on 03 April 2011
vlad321 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
vlad321 said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Puggsly said:

What a bullshit article, its piracy that's hurting PC gaming. PC isn't the main focus of developers because it generates significantly less profits than consoles.

Developers could definitely raise the bar by taking advantage of modern PC gaming technology. But what's the point? The masses are just going to steal it.

Yeah, it's as simple as that.


And the consoles have the used game market, which hurts the developers more than any piracy. Even if you assume piracy is as bad (which is a luaghabley wrong assumption in itself), the used game market is worse.

Hmmm... bullshit.

The Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, and DS deal with the used sales, rentals, and piracy. Yet they still do a significantly better job at selling games than the PC.

Just take a look at all the PC game sales we see on every digital distribution site. That's developers trying collect whatever money they can from the PC gaming market thanks rampant piracy. There are also endless free games to play on PC and that's huge competition for games being sold.


They don't deal with any of those, especially used sales. Used sales are as damaging to the developer as piracy. The reason PC games don't sell much in recent times is the exact topic of this thread. Games have been sucking hard. Unlike consoles, I can play games from before this generation so I don't have to buy the crap from this one, therefore I buy less.

You can do that on consoles as well...

No they can't. The new PS3s can't even play older games. All the Wii can do is play GC games, and the 360 only goes back tot he Xbox. Considering that I'm playing X-COM, which is back from '94, I would say that the consoles half-ass that as well.


The PS3 can play games all the way up from 1994, and some can even play games from PS2, Wii can play games all the way from the 80s and Xbox 360 is compatible with its predcessor games



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vlad321 on 03 April 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
vlad321 said:

So the validity of the studies is in question? Let's see what we have here:

Unbiased (as in, not RIAA, MPAA,etc. funded) researchers:

http://torrentfreak.com/game-changing-study-puts-piracy-in-perspective-110311/

US Government:

http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-recognizes-benefits-of-piracy-100413/

Dutch government, they actually noticed the economy profits from piracy:

http://torrentfreak.com/economy-profits-from-file-sharing-report-concludes-090119/

A bit unrelated to games, but this concerns anime piracy which is still piracy, Japanese government:

http://torrentfreak.com/internet-piracy-boosts-anime-sales-study-concludes-110203/

 

To sum it up. You are wrong, I am right. Good day. Your overall point of view on piracy is just fallacious in the face of these studies, and if you wanna argue against these, then you will just end up looking more like a fool.

Great job, now find articles that show how piracy actually helps the PC gaming industry. In case you forgot, this was about PC gaming.

I'm looking a fool? You can't even stay on topic.


"Other industries, such as gaming software, have fared well too. Entertainment software sales have gone through the roof in recent years and surpassed that of movie ticket sales and CD sales, the report explains. The researchers further note that games such as World of Warcraft are immune to piracy because of their business model, and that game consumers are often very loyal to game developers, and on average more hesitant to pirate."

I am fairly sure that "owned" applies best here. Also, piracy affects all mediums the same way.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 on 03 April 2011
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:

No they can't. The new PS3s can't even play older games. All the Wii can do is play GC games, and the 360 only goes back tot he Xbox. Considering that I'm playing X-COM, which is back from '94, I would say that the consoles half-ass that as well.


The PS3 can play games all the way up from 1994, and some can even play games from PS2, Wii can play games all the way from the 80s and Xbox 360 is compatible with its predcessor games

I really hope you aren't implying I have to buy those games from the online stores, considering I already own them.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

pizzahut451 on 03 April 2011
vlad321 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:

No they can't. The new PS3s can't even play older games. All the Wii can do is play GC games, and the 360 only goes back tot he Xbox. Considering that I'm playing X-COM, which is back from '94, I would say that the consoles half-ass that as well.


The PS3 can play games all the way up from 1994, and some can even play games from PS2, Wii can play games all the way from the 80s and Xbox 360 is compatible with its predcessor games

I really hope you aren't implying I have to buy those games from the online stores, considering I already own them.


On Wii yes, on PS360 no



vlad321 on 03 April 2011
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:

No they can't. The new PS3s can't even play older games. All the Wii can do is play GC games, and the 360 only goes back tot he Xbox. Considering that I'm playing X-COM, which is back from '94, I would say that the consoles half-ass that as well.


The PS3 can play games all the way up from 1994, and some can even play games from PS2, Wii can play games all the way from the 80s and Xbox 360 is compatible with its predcessor games

I really hope you aren't implying I have to buy those games from the online stores, considering I already own them.


On Wii yes, on PS360 no


I was not aware they came with cartridge slots. Where do I plug in my Goldeneye cartrage? No? What about OoT? Still no? Enlighten me on these amazing special edition HD consoles you have so I can go buy some myself.

Do you know how many old games I can play on my single PC? ALso how old they can be? All of them, and just yesterday I was playing Keen 1, and a few weeks ago I beat PoP again. That last one was from '88.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Kasz216 on 03 April 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
vlad321 said:

So the validity of the studies is in question? Let's see what we have here:

Unbiased (as in, not RIAA, MPAA,etc. funded) researchers:

http://torrentfreak.com/game-changing-study-puts-piracy-in-perspective-110311/

US Government:

http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-recognizes-benefits-of-piracy-100413/

Dutch government, they actually noticed the economy profits from piracy:

http://torrentfreak.com/economy-profits-from-file-sharing-report-concludes-090119/

A bit unrelated to games, but this concerns anime piracy which is still piracy, Japanese government:

http://torrentfreak.com/internet-piracy-boosts-anime-sales-study-concludes-110203/

 

To sum it up. You are wrong, I am right. Good day. Your overall point of view on piracy is just fallacious in the face of these studies, and if you wanna argue against these, then you will just end up looking more like a fool.

Great job, now find articles that show how piracy actually helps the PC gaming industry. In case you forgot, this was about PC gaming.

I'm looking a fool? You can't even stay on topic.

http://amitay.us/blog/files/piracy_doubled_my_app_sales.php

really, your both coming off kind of foolish.

Though all known data does back him up, so his foolishness is limited to conduct, while yours is related more towards... well what's known as "common nonsense."