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Sentences: Double or Single Space?

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out of curiousity, which of these paragraphs is easier to tell the sentences apart?  really, the answer is obviously the second paragraph.  do you know what the difference between these two paragraphs is?  the first is obviously double spaced.

 

And this one is single spaced. See, it's capital letters that distinguish sentences, not spacing. Isn't this lovely to read? Much better than the first. The first does not capitalise the first letter and is thus rubbish.

 

Voted Single.



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scottie said:

out of curiousity, which of these paragraphs is easier to tell the sentences apart?  really, the answer is obviously the second paragraph.  do you know what the difference between these two paragraphs is?  the first is obviously double spaced.

And this one is single spaced. See, it's capital letters that distinguish sentences, not spacing. Isn't this lovely to read? Much better than the first. The first does not capitalise the first letter and is thus rubbish.

Voted Single.

I would argue -- did argue above -- that the first is only harder for you to read because of what you are familiar with.  I think "double space with no initial capitalization" and "single space with capitalization" have equal informative value as to the beginnings of sentences.  (Again, I am NOT advocating anything about removing that convention.)  Although I disagree with RolStoppable's argument that it is so redundant that it is practically worthless, I think he has a much better point than you do. 



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Final-Fan said:

I was messing around in Wikipedia which re-inflamed my interest on this subject. 

Before I add my own two cents, I'll link two pieces, one arguing each side (I think it may have been arranged as a pseudo-debate but anyway):  Single, Double

If you're like myself, then I'd recommend reading all three of the linked pieces, but I'll try to run down some basics: 

Typographers allegedly universally insist on single spacing after sentences.  Often, a large justification for this is that double spacing was merely an ugly necessity of the typewriter era, and modern typefacing, with letters that fit together nicely, don't need that extra space to make the ends of sentences obvious. 

This claim -- that double spacing was essentially invented only when typewriters were, and should die with them -- is perhaps not exactly a lie, but is certainly a gross misrepresentation of the facts.  Wikipedia's historical information indicates that in the pre-typewriter era, sentences (in most styles) had a single "em-space" after them:  a space about the size of that typeface's "m", like the "em-dash" that more or less survives today (though many people often "double-hyphen" instead, either out of laziness, as I did above, or ignorance).  But I digress:  sentences got an em-space, while words were separated by a mere 1/3 or 1/2 of an em-space.  Therefore, the difference in practice between the pre-typewriter em-space and the modern double-space is minimal at best.  This false accusation is not pandemic among single space advocates, but I've seen it enough to include its debunking. 

I've heard other justifications for the single space rule, from "they’ll throw-off spacing in professional page layout programs" (IMO this indicates either a crazy claimant or a crazy program) to "a page of text with two spaces between every sentence looks riddled with holes" (blatant personal opinion). 

For the other side, I'd really suggest the above link, but if you're detemined to read only my own words, it boils down to the fact that single spaces don't sufficiently indicate the end of a sentence -- periods aren't a reliable indicator, and I'd like to see you disagree!  Unless you put double spaces after colons, their exclusive function is to serve as such an indicator (and you can [almost] only put a colon where a sentence could end anyway).  I've even seen an argument that since periods have a sort of virtual space above them, that's almost as good as double spacing.  I have to call bullshit on that, plain and simple:  commas occupy the same space, while exclamation points and question marks don't. 

Another argument can be made in favor of double spacing on the theory of pauses.  If you imagine someone speaking the sentence, generally you imagine a certain pause between words unlessyouimaginethemtalkingreallyfast, and a certain pause after a comma, or a semicolon; a period gets a longer pause than a comma:  but colons and semicolons get the same pause as a period, which undermines my point a little.  Maybe I should start double spacing semicolons (I doubt I will). 

tl;dr:  I double spaced every sentence, and colon, in this post -- not that you'd ever know, thanks to those damn browsers.

[edit:  Oh shit!  I just checked and I see double spaces!  Awesome!  I take it all back, Firefox, I love you.  Also, everybody who read the whole OP ought to read Eats, Shoots & Leaves which is a beyond-awesome book about punctuation.  Sounds like a joke, I know, but it really is.]

I just did a search on "use one or two spaces after a full stop" and found about 20 articles written by typographers, designers, and the like. You know, the people who, through consensus, make these rules.

Not a single one of them recommended the use of two spaces.

But go ahead and continue quoting that guy you linked (who is just some guy with an opinion and derails on mono-spaced fonts part way through the article) who likes double spaces.

Meanwhile, the rest of the PROFESSIONALS on the planet will continue using one space after a full stop. Pick up a mainstream magazine or search a major website and try to find one that uses double spacing. You can't do it because they don't exist.

The fact is that fonts change, tech changes, and rules change along with them. There's a valid reason to only use one space but if you want to ignore it, more power to you. Your writing will look goofy and out of place compared to the rest of the world's unless you plan to use Courier for the rest of your days but hey, that's your right, I guess.




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If all you want to do is fall back on "it's an arbitrary standard imposed by typographers and sensible people fall in line" then go do that.  This guy [edit:  apparently someone else I saw] says typists see it differently, but they aren't the ones that get to print it. 

Although, if double spaces ARE necessary for some typefaces why should we have two standards instead of one? 



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RolStoppable said:
Final-Fan said:

If all you want to do is fall back on "it's an arbitrary standard imposed by typographers and sensible people fall in line" then go do that.  This guy says typists see it differently, but they aren't the ones that get to print it. 

Although, if double spaces ARE necessary for some typefaces why should we have two standards instead of one? 

I have to ask something: Are you genuinely convinced that double spaces are better than single spaces or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? The latter is a bannable offense.

I truly use double spaces and think they would be the superior practice.  And I am not convinced you are correct on the other matter either, as long as the debate is civil -- though I may well be mistaken and you'd likely be more knowledgeable than I.   [edit:  Upon reflection, I suppose that would technically be trolling.]



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RCTjunkie said:
Snesboy said:

I don't double space between sentences.  Gosh.


What about a sentence and an interjection?

OT: I am an editor for my school newspaper, and nothing ticks me off more then someone double spacing. It's a personal preferece, but it just irks me.

Yes. You caught that. You are made of win.



Two spaces for me.  It is easier to read, and it looks better.



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Final-Fan said:

If all you want to do is fall back on "it's an arbitrary standard imposed by typographers and sensible people fall in line" then go do that.  This guy [edit:  apparently someone else I saw] says typists see it differently, but they aren't the ones that get to print it. 

Although, if double spaces ARE necessary for some typefaces why should we have two standards instead of one? 

Because some typefaces are different than others. Unless you're using Courier (such as my lawyer girlfriend HAS to use for court documents), there is no bloody reason to use two spaces. Modern fonts have elminated the need.

And standards put in place by copy editors and typographers are not "arbitrary". There is a valid reason to use one space and you just want to ignore it for the sake of ignoring it. So be it, I really don't care. On the other hand, if I received a resume with double spacing, I'd probably reject it unless it was outstanding in every other way. People need to be able to type in a standardized format for my job and if they can't bother to learn with is the modern and most commonly used rule for copy writing, I'd question their overall capacity to do the job.

And as for that guy saying "typists see it differently", I have guide books at home written by copy editors and copy writers. Do you know what they say? Use one space. Unlike purely hypothesizing and saying "people I know prefer two spaces" like that link does, you can go to your local library, pick up any number of non-scientific or field-specific books (which have all sorts of crazy rules) and you'll find that every last one of 'em says to use one space except when using a mono spaced font.

Anyway, I'm done with this. There are stacks of evidence that say to use one space and a few whackjobs that say to use two. I'm going to keep using one space because if I ever designed a site or brochure with two spaces, best case scenario is that the client would laugh and ask me to fix it, worst case is that they'd shake their head and never hire me again for not knowing one of the most basic rules of typography. And that's the difference. You want to argue about this for no apparent reason while I have to write for a living and actually produce typed material that other people look at and read.




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I would love to see your "valid reasons" and "evidence" that single spacing is objectively superior to double spacing ... in non-monospace fonts. 

Meanwhile, I don't think the English language should change its punctuation standards depending on typeface. 

As for "having eliminated the need", I'd like to know the reason you say they needed a double space (fine, an "em space" that just so happened to be "double" the "space" of a word space) BEFORE MONOSPACE FONTS EXISTED* -- the reason you say doesn't exist anymore.

[* edit:  Maybe.  rocketpig informs me that, contrary to Wikipedia, monospace fonts predate the typewriter.]



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Double spacing. 

Why?  It makes it look like I have typed more than I actually did.



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