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^if wiis succes continues like this i doubt nintendo will release a new console first



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Exactly, also I could see Nintendo waiting until after they know what Sony and MS are doing, so they can make sure Sony isn't going to steal their ideas



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
Gamerace said:
I think they'll all go closer to 10 years as MS & Sony will need a lot of time to recover all the $$$$ they've lost out the gate this generation.
I do not think Nintendo will come out with a HD-Wii in 2-3 years either. HD-TV owners are buying the Wii anyway, so why bother?

Plus all 3 have gone on record saying they don't want to start a new generation in 4-5 years. 3rd parties would rather no one did either as transistion periods hurt everyone.

That said, eventually their will be one. Could go in any direction, including being started by a new competitor to the field. Nintendo would be best positioned to introduce one earliest.

 I don't believe that 10 year garbage from Sony or MS, both of them aren't going to stick with consoles that are going to top out around 30 million in WW sales one will launch in 5 years at most


Yea sure lol no playstation ends at 35 million or less.



 

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@avinash yeah i think they want to keep theyre ideas to them selves
@leo no one knows the future



leo-j said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Gamerace said:
I think they'll all go closer to 10 years as MS & Sony will need a lot of time to recover all the $$$$ they've lost out the gate this generation.
I do not think Nintendo will come out with a HD-Wii in 2-3 years either. HD-TV owners are buying the Wii anyway, so why bother?

Plus all 3 have gone on record saying they don't want to start a new generation in 4-5 years. 3rd parties would rather no one did either as transistion periods hurt everyone.

That said, eventually their will be one. Could go in any direction, including being started by a new competitor to the field. Nintendo would be best positioned to introduce one earliest.

 I don't believe that 10 year garbage from Sony or MS, both of them aren't going to stick with consoles that are going to top out around 30 million in WW sales one will launch in 5 years at most


Yea sure lol no playstation ends at 35 million or less.


 PS3 isn't the PS2 or the PS1, its not going to do as well



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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Off - topic - Why do Sony fans think PS3's 'superior' graphics will hurt X360? Or even Wii? Did you abandon your PS2's when the Xbox came out with much superior graphics? No. Then don't expect anyone else will.

On Topic - I see it this way. Wii will become a household device. It will be everywhere. Nintendo will never fully meet market demand ww and won't even want to think about adding another console when they can't meet demand with their first yet. They will not be first.

I think MS & Sony will pretty much split the gamer market, although Wii will have both gamers and 'non-gamers', 90% of gamers will end up with 2 systems, Wii +. This will result in both X360 and PS3 being successes in their own right and both will become profitable. As they have both taken huge losses, and graphic capabilities won't be a big factor for the next gen, I think they'll be content to go beyond 5 years to make some money.

I think a new competitor will come in with >PS3 like graphics, Wii like easy controls, a mass market price, lots of cash, and target the expanded Wii audience. As Nintendo fails to fully meet demand, and PS3/360 aren't really catering to the 'expanded market' (let's face it, how many 'girl' or 'brain-age' like games are on Xbox or PS3? Vertually none) this will let the new competitor pick up the overflow of Wii demand and at the same time graphic whores. They will also be seen as 'the next big thing' and quickly start eating up marketshare.

Sony & MS will have no choice but to respond, and eventually Nintendo too.



 

^yes thats what might happen,but i dont 100% agree on the new competitor though i think theyre is a chance that it might happen



Gamerace said:
Off - topic - Why do Sony fans think PS3's 'superior' graphics will hurt X360? Or even Wii? Did you abandon your PS2's when the Xbox came out with much superior graphics? No. Then don't expect anyone else will.

On Topic - I see it this way. Wii will become a household device. It will be everywhere. Nintendo will never fully meet market demand ww and won't even want to think about adding another console when they can't meet demand with their first yet. They will not be first.

I think MS & Sony will pretty much split the gamer market, although Wii will have both gamers and 'non-gamers', 90% of gamers will end up with 2 systems, Wii +. This will result in both X360 and PS3 being successes in their own right and both will become profitable. As they have both taken huge losses, and graphic capabilities won't be a big factor for the next gen, I think they'll be content to go beyond 5 years to make some money.

I think a new competitor will come in with >PS3 like graphics, Wii like easy controls, a mass market price, lots of cash, and target the expanded Wii audience. As Nintendo fails to fully meet demand, and PS3/360 aren't really catering to the 'expanded market' (let's face it, how many 'girl' or 'brain-age' like games are on Xbox or PS3? Vertually none) this will let the new competitor pick up the overflow of Wii demand and at the same time graphic whores. They will also be seen as 'the next big thing' and quickly start eating up marketshare.

Sony & MS will have no choice but to respond, and eventually Nintendo too.

 Only possible competitor that can do all that is Apple or Intel, and the problem for both is neither is a gaming software company, that is Nintendo's strength that no other console maker has, Nintendo is a gaming software company first, they produce hardware around their games, not the other way, when Sony makes a system they need to take into account their other divisions, and use the Playstation to push movies and tech like blu-ray and cell, MS isn't a games software company they are primarily in OS and apps, and they designed the Xbox, not to take the console market but to stop a potential competitor, Sony, the Xbox always has been a defensive move, which is why they are willing to lose money on it and stick with it, the benefit to protecting their primary market is worth the losses of the gaming division.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
Gamerace said:
Off - topic - Why do Sony fans think PS3's 'superior' graphics will hurt X360? Or even Wii? Did you abandon your PS2's when the Xbox came out with much superior graphics? No. Then don't expect anyone else will.

On Topic - I see it this way. Wii will become a household device. It will be everywhere. Nintendo will never fully meet market demand ww and won't even want to think about adding another console when they can't meet demand with their first yet. They will not be first.

I think MS & Sony will pretty much split the gamer market, although Wii will have both gamers and 'non-gamers', 90% of gamers will end up with 2 systems, Wii +. This will result in both X360 and PS3 being successes in their own right and both will become profitable. As they have both taken huge losses, and graphic capabilities won't be a big factor for the next gen, I think they'll be content to go beyond 5 years to make some money.

I think a new competitor will come in with >PS3 like graphics, Wii like easy controls, a mass market price, lots of cash, and target the expanded Wii audience. As Nintendo fails to fully meet demand, and PS3/360 aren't really catering to the 'expanded market' (let's face it, how many 'girl' or 'brain-age' like games are on Xbox or PS3? Vertually none) this will let the new competitor pick up the overflow of Wii demand and at the same time graphic whores. They will also be seen as 'the next big thing' and quickly start eating up marketshare.

Sony & MS will have no choice but to respond, and eventually Nintendo too.

Only possible competitor that can do all that is Apple or Intel, and the problem for both is neither is a gaming software company, that is Nintendo's strength that no other console maker has, Nintendo is a gaming software company first, they produce hardware around their games, not the other way, when Sony makes a system they need to take into account their other divisions, and use the Playstation to push movies and tech like blu-ray and cell, MS isn't a games software company they are primarily in OS and apps, and they designed the Xbox, not to take the console market but to stop a potential competitor, Sony, the Xbox always has been a defensive move, which is why they are willing to lose money on it and stick with it, the benefit to protecting their primary market is worth the losses of the gaming division.

 

Sorry Avinash - That really doesn't make any sense. You say no one can beat Nintendo because only Nintendo is a gaming software company 1st, while admitting that neither Sony nor MS are gaming software companies (heck MS doesn't even do hardware right) and yet BOTH beat Nintendo last generation. The arguement holds no water whatsoever. Both Sony and MS entered the market with close to nothing as far as installed fan base, IPs, inhouse development, etc. Sony succeeded extremely well nevertheless. It is possible for a 4th competitor to come in and do well, nor would it be a precident of any sort.

 



 

Most definitely Nintendo. It's their big chance to wipe MS and Sony off the market. If the Wii 2 is first out of the gate, is Wii compatible, is more powerful than X360 and PS3, has motion capturing controllers (cfr. Johnny Lee's hacks) and is cheap, then they are guaranteed to dominate the next gen even more. If they let MS or Sony come out with a next-gen first, then they may lose everything because both MS and Sony are sure going to copycat the Wii controller.