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vlad321 on 26 March 2011
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:

I hate to break your bubble:

 


I already saw that video a long time ago LOL it was funny on different levels.

It's still stealing... doesn't matter if it's digital or that it doesn't dissappear after it's stolen. Someone is getting somethng without paying for it. That alone makes it stealing[period]

In that little clip... it weighs morals on the basis of whether the action does something pysically or emotionally damaging and doesn't shed any light what so ever on the moral. The action causing pysical or emotional damage doesn't matter. The moral does and that's what it's about, piracy being immoral. Stealing. Although the economical affects are important too, the moral part is what truly makes it wrong.

That is probably one of the most ignorant string of words I have had the chance to read. I wonder how many other things are considered stealing in your world. I can come up with quite a few. How about gifts? What about the use of Google search? Do you not steal Google then? How about this very site? Do you not steal the console numbers?



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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Calmador on 26 March 2011
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:

I hate to break your bubble:

 


I already saw that video a long time ago LOL it was funny on different levels.

It's still stealing... doesn't matter if it's digital or that it doesn't dissappear after it's stolen. Someone is getting somethng without paying for it. That alone makes it stealing[period]

In that little clip... it weighs morals on the basis of whether the action does something pysically or emotionally damaging and doesn't shed any light what so ever on the moral. The action causing pysical or emotional damage doesn't matter. The moral does and that's what it's about, piracy being immoral. Stealing. Although the economical affects are important too, the moral part is what truly makes it wrong.

That is probably one of the most ignorant words I have had the chance to read. I wonder how many other things are considered stealing in your world. I can come up with quite a few. How about gifts? What about the use of Google search? Do you not steal Google then? How about this very site? Do you not steal the console numbers?


Now your just being difficult. Do you actually think I think gifts are wrong? Be  a little realistic. I understand some things can be free... video games are not free though.

It's stealing.



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

vlad321 on 26 March 2011
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:

I hate to break your bubble:

 


I already saw that video a long time ago LOL it was funny on different levels.

It's still stealing... doesn't matter if it's digital or that it doesn't dissappear after it's stolen. Someone is getting somethng without paying for it. That alone makes it stealing[period]

In that little clip... it weighs morals on the basis of whether the action does something pysically or emotionally damaging and doesn't shed any light what so ever on the moral. The action causing pysical or emotional damage doesn't matter. The moral does and that's what it's about, piracy being immoral. Stealing. Although the economical affects are important too, the moral part is what truly makes it wrong.

That is probably one of the most ignorant words I have had the chance to read. I wonder how many other things are considered stealing in your world. I can come up with quite a few. How about gifts? What about the use of Google search? Do you not steal Google then? How about this very site? Do you not steal the console numbers?


Now your just being difficult. Do you actually think I think gifts are wrong? Be  a little realistic. I understand some things can be free... video games are not free though.

It's stealing.

Then define stealing for me, because whatever your definition is I bet you I can show you just how ignorant it is. You provided me with one, and I went ahead and showed you why it's just plain stupid. I would also like to know how Google's software (like android, it's a freaking complete OS) is different than a game company's software, yet you feel fine not paying for it.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Calmador on 26 March 2011
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:

I hate to break your bubble:

 


I already saw that video a long time ago LOL it was funny on different levels.

It's still stealing... doesn't matter if it's digital or that it doesn't dissappear after it's stolen. Someone is getting somethng without paying for it. That alone makes it stealing[period]

In that little clip... it weighs morals on the basis of whether the action does something pysically or emotionally damaging and doesn't shed any light what so ever on the moral. The action causing pysical or emotional damage doesn't matter. The moral does and that's what it's about, piracy being immoral. Stealing. Although the economical affects are important too, the moral part is what truly makes it wrong.

That is probably one of the most ignorant words I have had the chance to read. I wonder how many other things are considered stealing in your world. I can come up with quite a few. How about gifts? What about the use of Google search? Do you not steal Google then? How about this very site? Do you not steal the console numbers?


Now your just being difficult. Do you actually think I think gifts are wrong? Be  a little realistic. I understand some things can be free... video games are not free though.

It's stealing.

Then define stealing for me, because whatever your definition is I bet you I can show you just how ignorant it is. You provided me with one, and I went ahead and showed you why it's just plain stupid. I would also like to know how Google's software (like android, it's a freaking complete OS) is different than a game company's software, yet you feel fine not paying for it

To get something without paying for it. Gifts are exeptions because thier gifts.

I would also like to define a gift.

Gifts are when you sacrfice something for someone and you no longer have it or use it. The sacrfice makes it a gift.

I guess in this case it does matter if the item dissappears.

Good deeds vs Bad deeds...

They are opposites in that area... makes sense.

I want your definition of stealing.



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

vlad321 on 26 March 2011
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:


Now your just being difficult. Do you actually think I think gifts are wrong? Be  a little realistic. I understand some things can be free... video games are not free though.

It's stealing.

Then define stealing for me, because whatever your definition is I bet you I can show you just how ignorant it is. You provided me with one, and I went ahead and showed you why it's just plain stupid. I would also like to know how Google's software (like android, it's a freaking complete OS) is different than a game company's software, yet you feel fine not paying for it

To get something without paying for it. Gifts are exeptions because thier gifts.

I would also like to define a gift.

Gifts are when you sacrfice something for someone and you no longer have it or use it. The sacrfice makes it a gift.

I guess in this case it does matter if the item dissappears.

Good deeds vs Bad deeds...

They are opposites in that area... makes sense.

I want your definition of stealing.


So I guess if I give a friend of mine a CD I copied it's not a gift? Also how do you explain how using Google software isn't theft but developer software is theft?

My definition of stealing does not matter because you are the one claiming that piracy is theft, so the burden of proof is on you, not me. All I have to do is show that your definition is bad.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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Calmador on 26 March 2011
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:


Now your just being difficult. Do you actually think I think gifts are wrong? Be  a little realistic. I understand some things can be free... video games are not free though.

It's stealing.

Then define stealing for me, because whatever your definition is I bet you I can show you just how ignorant it is. You provided me with one, and I went ahead and showed you why it's just plain stupid. I would also like to know how Google's software (like android, it's a freaking complete OS) is different than a game company's software, yet you feel fine not paying for it

To get something without paying for it. Gifts are exeptions because thier gifts.

I would also like to define a gift.

Gifts are when you sacrfice something for someone and you no longer have it or use it. The sacrfice makes it a gift.

I guess in this case it does matter if the item dissappears.

Good deeds vs Bad deeds...

They are opposites in that area... makes sense.

I want your definition of stealing.


So I guess if I give a friend of mine a CD I copied it's not a gift? Also how do you explain how using Google software isn't theft but developer software is theft?

My definition of stealing does not matter because you are the one claiming that piracy is theft, so the burden of proof is on you, not me. All I have to do is show that your definition is bad.

Yes exactly it's theft if you copy a CD and give it to a friend. You didn't give it as a gift btw since you still own a copy. A gift requires sacrfice. You didn't sacrifice the CD, it wasn't gifted.

I've never used Google software, so I'm not too sure about it. But you did say it's a Free OS. Things like that are either  by permission of the creator or are actually paid for by ads. Also those are services, not products. Different market, different ways of doing business so on that I think they are not relevant enough to compare.

You have a definition of why it ISN'T stealing so spill it.

 



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

vlad321 on 26 March 2011
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:


Now your just being difficult. Do you actually think I think gifts are wrong? Be  a little realistic. I understand some things can be free... video games are not free though.

It's stealing.

Then define stealing for me, because whatever your definition is I bet you I can show you just how ignorant it is. You provided me with one, and I went ahead and showed you why it's just plain stupid. I would also like to know how Google's software (like android, it's a freaking complete OS) is different than a game company's software, yet you feel fine not paying for it

To get something without paying for it. Gifts are exeptions because thier gifts.

I would also like to define a gift.

Gifts are when you sacrfice something for someone and you no longer have it or use it. The sacrfice makes it a gift.

I guess in this case it does matter if the item dissappears.

Good deeds vs Bad deeds...

They are opposites in that area... makes sense.

I want your definition of stealing.


So I guess if I give a friend of mine a CD I copied it's not a gift? Also how do you explain how using Google software isn't theft but developer software is theft?

My definition of stealing does not matter because you are the one claiming that piracy is theft, so the burden of proof is on you, not me. All I have to do is show that your definition is bad.

Yes exactly it's theft if you copy a CD and give it to a friend. You didn't give it as a gift btw since you still own a copy. A gift requires sacrfice. You didn't sacrifice the CD, it wasn't gifted.

I've never used Google software, so I'm not too sure about it. But you did say it's a Free OS. Things like that are either  by permission of the creator or are actually paid for by ads. Also those are services, not products. Different market, different ways of doing business so on that I think they are not relevant enough to compare.

You have a definition of why it ISN'T stealing so spill it.

 


Right there. First of all, no it's not a different market. In fact the people who use games are probably entirely contained within the set of people who use google software. Much of google is supported by ads, but Android specifically isn't, as well as Google Earth, at least not since lat time I looked at it, Google Chrome, and many of the things frfrom Google Labs. Their business model is obviously working.

My definition was already presented, which you countered with your incredibly ignorant one, which I proceeded to completely refute. Now it's your turn to amend your argument.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Calmador on 26 March 2011
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:


Now your just being difficult. Do you actually think I think gifts are wrong? Be  a little realistic. I understand some things can be free... video games are not free though.

It's stealing.

Then define stealing for me, because whatever your definition is I bet you I can show you just how ignorant it is. You provided me with one, and I went ahead and showed you why it's just plain stupid. I would also like to know how Google's software (like android, it's a freaking complete OS) is different than a game company's software, yet you feel fine not paying for it

To get something without paying for it. Gifts are exeptions because thier gifts.

I would also like to define a gift.

Gifts are when you sacrfice something for someone and you no longer have it or use it. The sacrfice makes it a gift.

I guess in this case it does matter if the item dissappears.

Good deeds vs Bad deeds...

They are opposites in that area... makes sense.

I want your definition of stealing.


So I guess if I give a friend of mine a CD I copied it's not a gift? Also how do you explain how using Google software isn't theft but developer software is theft?

My definition of stealing does not matter because you are the one claiming that piracy is theft, so the burden of proof is on you, not me. All I have to do is show that your definition is bad.

Yes exactly it's theft if you copy a CD and give it to a friend. You didn't give it as a gift btw since you still own a copy. A gift requires sacrfice. You didn't sacrifice the CD, it wasn't gifted.

I've never used Google software, so I'm not too sure about it. But you did say it's a Free OS. Things like that are either  by permission of the creator or are actually paid for by ads. Also those are services, not products. Different market, different ways of doing business so on that I think they are not relevant enough to compare.

You have a definition of why it ISN'T stealing so spill it.

 


Right there. First of all, no it's not a different market. In fact the people who use games are probably entirely contained within the set of people who use google software. Much of google is supported by ads, but Android specifically isn't, as well as Google Earth, at least not since lat time I looked at it, Google Chrome, and many of the things frfrom Google Labs. Their business model is obviously working.

My definition was already presented, which you countered with your incredibly ignorant one, which I proceeded to completely refute. Now it's your turn to amend your argument.

Google is giving away thier intelictual property or service (again don't know exactly what it is), they can do that. Now Developers/Publishers on the other hand want to get paid, they are not giving away thier intelictual property so we can't make copies of games.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Your comparing things that are given freely with someone taking something that isn't free unless it's given as an actual gift (with sacrfice).



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

vlad321 on 26 March 2011
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:


Now your just being difficult. Do you actually think I think gifts are wrong? Be  a little realistic. I understand some things can be free... video games are not free though.

It's stealing.

Then define stealing for me, because whatever your definition is I bet you I can show you just how ignorant it is. You provided me with one, and I went ahead and showed you why it's just plain stupid. I would also like to know how Google's software (like android, it's a freaking complete OS) is different than a game company's software, yet you feel fine not paying for it

To get something without paying for it. Gifts are exeptions because thier gifts.

I would also like to define a gift.

Gifts are when you sacrfice something for someone and you no longer have it or use it. The sacrfice makes it a gift.

I guess in this case it does matter if the item dissappears.

Good deeds vs Bad deeds...

They are opposites in that area... makes sense.

I want your definition of stealing.


So I guess if I give a friend of mine a CD I copied it's not a gift? Also how do you explain how using Google software isn't theft but developer software is theft?

My definition of stealing does not matter because you are the one claiming that piracy is theft, so the burden of proof is on you, not me. All I have to do is show that your definition is bad.

Yes exactly it's theft if you copy a CD and give it to a friend. You didn't give it as a gift btw since you still own a copy. A gift requires sacrfice. You didn't sacrifice the CD, it wasn't gifted.

I've never used Google software, so I'm not too sure about it. But you did say it's a Free OS. Things like that are either  by permission of the creator or are actually paid for by ads. Also those are services, not products. Different market, different ways of doing business so on that I think they are not relevant enough to compare.

You have a definition of why it ISN'T stealing so spill it.

 


Right there. First of all, no it's not a different market. In fact the people who use games are probably entirely contained within the set of people who use google software. Much of google is supported by ads, but Android specifically isn't, as well as Google Earth, at least not since lat time I looked at it, Google Chrome, and many of the things frfrom Google Labs. Their business model is obviously working.

My definition was already presented, which you countered with your incredibly ignorant one, which I proceeded to completely refute. Now it's your turn to amend your argument.

Google is giving away thier intelictual property or service (again don't know exactly what it is), they can do that. Now Developers/Publishers on the other hand want to get paid, they are not giving away thier intelictual property so we can't make copies of games.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Your comparing things that are given freely with someone taking something that isn't free unless it's given as an actual gift (with sacrfice).

My whole point goes all the way back to the first thing I said. Pirates are dissatisfied for one reason or another. This is because of the shitty business models of companies. Obviously there are are other business models which succeed even at free prices, but I'm sure you don't even have to be free to make pirates buy your stuff instead of pirating it. In the end, shit business models get hurt by pirates, not the good ones.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Calmador on 26 March 2011
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:

Google is giving away thier intelictual property or service (again don't know exactly what it is), they can do that. Now Developers/Publishers on the other hand want to get paid, they are not giving away thier intelictual property so we can't make copies of games.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Your comparing things that are given freely with someone taking something that isn't free unless it's given as an actual gift (with sacrfice).

My whole point goes all the way back to the first thing I said. Pirates are dissatisfied for one reason or another. This is because of the shitty business models of companies. Obviously there are are other business models which succeed even at free prices, but I'm sure you don't even have to be free to make pirates buy your stuff instead of pirating it. In the end, shit business models get hurt by pirates, not the good ones.

Let's say the business model of the video game industry is flawed and you know it definitly is (we can definitely find some flaws if we look) ... so how does that give someone the right to steal?

And all business """"LIKE"""" the video game industry suffers from piracy.

 



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.