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rocketpig on 18 March 2011
postofficebuddy said:
rocketpig said:
postofficebuddy said:
rocketpig said:

- The PS3 has been a monumental failure. The division went from being Sony's primary money-maker to its loss leader in one generation.


I find it incredibly ironic that this keeps getting brought up when Sony are about to announce their most profitable fiscal year since the PS2 launch. Especially considering the fact that part of that profit was made when they were at an extremely disadvantageous exchange rate situation which even caused Nintendo to post a loss.

SCE posted a rather modest $213m profit in Q4 2010. That is a step in the right direction but is not going to offset four years of losses. Look at the longterm, not one quarter. The best case situation is that they somehow find a way to break even on the PS3. That's not considered success in the business world and it looks even worse after you compare it to the PS2.

*edit: those are Q4 2009 numbers. Need to find 2010.


The networked products and services division posted a $560 million dollar profit last quarter.

Where are you finding the data? I keep being led in circles and can't find the entire Q4 2010 report. Has it not been released in full yet?

Anyway, my point still stands. One quarter does not overcomes four years of mess, especially when those first several quarters were brutal. At end-of-life, the PS3 is going to struggle to merely break even. After the PS2, that's a failure no matter how you try to toss around the numbers to make Sony look good.

To be clear, I don't care either way because I like the PS3 and just ordered one a few days ago. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with games or the system itself. From a business standpoint, it's been a failure. There's no other reasonable way to look at it.




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ethomaz on 18 March 2011
rocketpig said:
Where are you finding the data? I keep being led in circles and can't find the entire Q4 2010 report. Has it not been released in full yet?

That's because it is Q3 2010 (Q4 ends in 31th March).

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/index.html

* NPS = Networked Products & Services
* 45.7 billion yen = 585.8 million dollar



rocketpig on 18 March 2011

Ah, they don't run on the calendar year. That makes sense.




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ethomaz on 18 March 2011
rocketpig said:

Ah, they don't run on the calendar year. That makes sense.

Most of companies run on financial calendar (ends March).

There are exceptions like Microsoft (ends June).



LivingMetal on 18 March 2011

So the PS3 is NOT a monumental failure?



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rocketpig on 18 March 2011
LivingMetal said:

So the PS3 is NOT a monumental failure?

*looks at lifetime numbers*

Nope, it's still a massive failure. What do they still have to get back, $4 billion?




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ethomaz on 18 March 2011
rocketpig said:
LivingMetal said:

So the PS3 is NOT a monumental failure?

*looks at lifetime numbers*

Nope, it's still a massive failure. What do they still have to get back, $4 billion?

I guess less than that.



Moonhero on 18 March 2011

Will Wii2 catch PS3 in sales? That is the question.



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rocketpig on 18 March 2011
ethomaz said:
rocketpig said:
LivingMetal said:

So the PS3 is NOT a monumental failure?

*looks at lifetime numbers*

Nope, it's still a massive failure. What do they still have to get back, $4 billion?

I guess less than that.

In any case, it's a mighty big number (that, you have to remember, dates back to around early 2005 when PS3 R&D started in earnest and those costs aren't reflected in the post-launch numbers).

Again, not bashing the console itself, just acknowledging that Sony royally screwed the pooch this generation. It will be almost impossible for them to recover and call the console a success.




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LivingMetal on 18 March 2011
rocketpig said:
LivingMetal said:

So the PS3 is NOT a monumental failure?

*looks at lifetime numbers*

Nope, it's still a massive failure. What do they still have to get back, $4 billion?


*looks at thread topic*

It's done an awesome job as a legit and viable third place console against MANY odds while closing the gap between the Xbox 360.