As far as shipments, PS3 will probably pass 360 some time this year. Last year PS3 outshipped 360 by 2.2 million. The current gap is 2.9 million. Since Sony intends to ship 2.8 million units this quarter, up from 2.2 million in quarter 1 2010, PS3 will probably be up YOY for the year overall with a price cut most likely in the offing. 360 will almost certainly be down YOY due to the console being in its 6th year and also because of the lapping of the slim and Kinect launch. Most likely 360 will be down by more than 800k and PS3 will probably be up by a similar amount. As far as sellthrough is concerned, probably some time in early to mid 2012.

No, neither console will ever catch Wii. The absolute best case scenario for the HD consoles is about 90 million for 360 and 100 million for PS3. And Wii will end comfortably over 100 million. My guess is 115 million.

Obviously Sony's biggest mistake was the $600 pricepoint. They shouldn't have bothered with PS2 BC right off the bat to save money and get the pricepoint down.

In Sony's case I'd say the slim launch was executed absolutely perfectly. They essentially revived the system and gave it lasting and strong momentum, enough momentum to weather 360s slim and kinect launches and still come out on top. Microsft certainly did a lot of things right with the slim and Kinect launch though. They gave 360 its best year on the market in its 5th year, which would have been almost inconceivable for almost any other system, especially a non-leading one.

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I approve of this thread.

I've been saying the same thing since early 2007:

By the time the PS3 catches the 360, no one will care except frothing fanboys. What matters is THE MONEY and Microsoft is handily beating Sony in that regard and Nintendo is whalloping them both.

No matter what happens from here on out, these three truths are evident to anyone rational:

- The PS3 has been a monumental failure. The division went from being Sony's primary money-maker to its loss leader in one generation.

- The 360 is a vast improvement over the Xbox but MS botched so many things that it's a shadow of what it could have been for the division from a financial standpoint (here's looking at you, RRoD).

- Nintendo is as giddy as a schoolgirl with a crush as they roll around in their billions of dollars.

I don't know when VGC will show PS3 > 360.

But Sony will make a party soon because the GAP now is 2.88 million.

PS3 will outsell 360 late 2012 by Sony numbers.

I find it incredibly ironic that this keeps getting brought up when Sony are about to announce their most profitable fiscal year since the PS2 launch. Especially considering the fact that part of that profit was made when they were at an extremely disadvantageous exchange rate situation which even caused Nintendo to post a loss.

If Sony just managed to have a little more RAM and a current gen gpu in the PS3 then it would have creamed Xbox. On the other hand, it would've cost 1000US then  :/

SCE posted a rather modest $213m profit in Q4 2010. That is a step in the right direction but is not going to offset four years of losses. Look at the longterm, not one quarter. The best case situation is that they somehow find a way to break even on the PS3. That's not considered success in the business world and it looks even worse after you compare it to the PS2.

*edit: those are Q4 2009 numbers. Need to find 2010.

Still looking at that it shows that the ps3's price drop was way more effective than any of the 360's, id expect to see a similar drop again when the ps3 hits $249, even more so when its hits $199

The networked products and services division posted a $560 million dollar profit last quarter.