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Xen on 13 March 2011
Munkeh111 said:
greenmedic88 said:

I'll be sure to send donations when he designs, engineers and produces his own successful console that has the full support of third party developers in addition to AAA first party studio games, and finds the security of his closed gaming platform compromised by consumer rights advocates who make deliberate efforts to crack any security measures implemented and threaten his legitimate business and viability as a secured gaming platform.

Simply put, his efforts do nothing for me as a legitimate consumer of games and there's no reason why I would want to nor should assist in footing the bill for the legal expenses he knowingly brought upon himself with his work.

Precisely. Sony are just trying to protect the ecosystem that they have created, and what they did was perfectly legal, there have terms of use, and what rights they have as platform owner, and they utilised them

I can understand there are some issues with consumer rights, but this is primarily a games machine, and if linux could threaten its profitability as one, then Sony had every right to stop it. As for current issues, they are seperate, and Sony seem to be making progress in dealing with them

Why are the hackers always seen as the good guys?

Security researchers, use proper language... and the answer you're looking for is obviously because the corporations are out there to screw us, even when it doesn't look that way ;)



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fps_d0minat0r on 13 March 2011
Xen said:
Munkeh111 said:
greenmedic88 said:

I'll be sure to send donations when he designs, engineers and produces his own successful console that has the full support of third party developers in addition to AAA first party studio games, and finds the security of his closed gaming platform compromised by consumer rights advocates who make deliberate efforts to crack any security measures implemented and threaten his legitimate business and viability as a secured gaming platform.

Simply put, his efforts do nothing for me as a legitimate consumer of games and there's no reason why I would want to nor should assist in footing the bill for the legal expenses he knowingly brought upon himself with his work.

Precisely. Sony are just trying to protect the ecosystem that they have created, and what they did was perfectly legal, there have terms of use, and what rights they have as platform owner, and they utilised them

I can understand there are some issues with consumer rights, but this is primarily a games machine, and if linux could threaten its profitability as one, then Sony had every right to stop it. As for current issues, they are seperate, and Sony seem to be making progress in dealing with them

Why are the hackers always seen as the good guys?

Security researchers, use proper language... and the answer you're looking for is obviously because the corporations are out there to screw us, even when it doesn't look that way ;)

If they dont work for sony then theres no reason for them to do "security research"

if a stranger was looking around your house at all the alarms and locks and entrance/exits surely you wouldnt think their up to something and report them to the police.

and it doesnt matter if hackers condone piracy or not.....it doesnt change the FACT that their the cause of it. without hackers, there would be no piracy.

and if they loved linux so much then why did they CHOOSE to REMOVE it?



Xen on 13 March 2011
fps_d0minat0r said:
Xen said:
Munkeh111 said:
greenmedic88 said:

I'll be sure to send donations when he designs, engineers and produces his own successful console that has the full support of third party developers in addition to AAA first party studio games, and finds the security of his closed gaming platform compromised by consumer rights advocates who make deliberate efforts to crack any security measures implemented and threaten his legitimate business and viability as a secured gaming platform.

Simply put, his efforts do nothing for me as a legitimate consumer of games and there's no reason why I would want to nor should assist in footing the bill for the legal expenses he knowingly brought upon himself with his work.

Precisely. Sony are just trying to protect the ecosystem that they have created, and what they did was perfectly legal, there have terms of use, and what rights they have as platform owner, and they utilised them

I can understand there are some issues with consumer rights, but this is primarily a games machine, and if linux could threaten its profitability as one, then Sony had every right to stop it. As for current issues, they are seperate, and Sony seem to be making progress in dealing with them

Why are the hackers always seen as the good guys?

Security researchers, use proper language... and the answer you're looking for is obviously because the corporations are out there to screw us, even when it doesn't look that way ;)

If they dont work for sony then theres no reason for them to do "security research"

if a stranger was looking around your house at all the alarms and locks and entrance/exits surely you wouldnt think their up to something and report them to the police.

and it doesnt matter if hackers condone piracy or not.....it doesnt change the FACT that their the cause of it. without hackers, there would be no piracy.

and if they loved linux so much then why did they CHOOSE to REMOVE it?

A minus 1 to you for replying seriously to sarcasm ;)



mchaza on 13 March 2011

i dont get why they it was unlawful that sony patched the OS. Did anyone read the terms and conditions before accepting the download??? 

you agreed for it to be removed. If you read the agreement before downloading you wouldn't of lost the function.



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Munkeh111 on 13 March 2011
Xen said:
Munkeh111 said:
greenmedic88 said:

I'll be sure to send donations when he designs, engineers and produces his own successful console that has the full support of third party developers in addition to AAA first party studio games, and finds the security of his closed gaming platform compromised by consumer rights advocates who make deliberate efforts to crack any security measures implemented and threaten his legitimate business and viability as a secured gaming platform.

Simply put, his efforts do nothing for me as a legitimate consumer of games and there's no reason why I would want to nor should assist in footing the bill for the legal expenses he knowingly brought upon himself with his work.

Precisely. Sony are just trying to protect the ecosystem that they have created, and what they did was perfectly legal, there have terms of use, and what rights they have as platform owner, and they utilised them

I can understand there are some issues with consumer rights, but this is primarily a games machine, and if linux could threaten its profitability as one, then Sony had every right to stop it. As for current issues, they are seperate, and Sony seem to be making progress in dealing with them

Why are the hackers always seen as the good guys?

Security researchers, use proper language... and the answer you're looking for is obviously because the corporations are out there to screw us, even when it doesn't look that way ;)

Of course, I always forget that the rich are evil



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fps_d0minat0r on 13 March 2011
Xen said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
Xen said:
Munkeh111 said:
greenmedic88 said:

I'll be sure to send donations when he designs, engineers and produces his own successful console that has the full support of third party developers in addition to AAA first party studio games, and finds the security of his closed gaming platform compromised by consumer rights advocates who make deliberate efforts to crack any security measures implemented and threaten his legitimate business and viability as a secured gaming platform.

Simply put, his efforts do nothing for me as a legitimate consumer of games and there's no reason why I would want to nor should assist in footing the bill for the legal expenses he knowingly brought upon himself with his work.

Precisely. Sony are just trying to protect the ecosystem that they have created, and what they did was perfectly legal, there have terms of use, and what rights they have as platform owner, and they utilised them

I can understand there are some issues with consumer rights, but this is primarily a games machine, and if linux could threaten its profitability as one, then Sony had every right to stop it. As for current issues, they are seperate, and Sony seem to be making progress in dealing with them

Why are the hackers always seen as the good guys?

Security researchers, use proper language... and the answer you're looking for is obviously because the corporations are out there to screw us, even when it doesn't look that way ;)

If they dont work for sony then theres no reason for them to do "security research"

if a stranger was looking around your house at all the alarms and locks and entrance/exits surely you wouldnt think their up to something and report them to the police.

and it doesnt matter if hackers condone piracy or not.....it doesnt change the FACT that their the cause of it. without hackers, there would be no piracy.

and if they loved linux so much then why did they CHOOSE to REMOVE it?

A minus 1 to you for replying seriously to sarcasm ;)

oops



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spdk1 on 13 March 2011
Munkeh111 said:
greenmedic88 said:

I'll be sure to send donations when he designs, engineers and produces his own successful console that has the full support of third party developers in addition to AAA first party studio games, and finds the security of his closed gaming platform compromised by consumer rights advocates who make deliberate efforts to crack any security measures implemented and threaten his legitimate business and viability as a secured gaming platform.

Simply put, his efforts do nothing for me as a legitimate consumer of games and there's no reason why I would want to nor should assist in footing the bill for the legal expenses he knowingly brought upon himself with his work.

Precisely. Sony are just trying to protect the ecosystem that they have created, and what they did was perfectly legal, there have terms of use, and what rights they have as platform owner, and they utilised them

I can understand there are some issues with consumer rights, but this is primarily a games machine, and if linux could threaten its profitability as one, then Sony had every right to stop it. As for current issues, they are seperate, and Sony seem to be making progress in dealing with them

Why are the hackers always seen as the good guys?

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greenmedic88 on 13 March 2011
mchaza said:

i dont get why they it was unlawful that sony patched the OS. Did anyone read the terms and conditions before accepting the download??? 

you agreed for it to be removed. If you read the agreement before downloading you wouldn't of lost the function.

To those that live in their own separate reality bubble, "consumer rights" basically equates to having everything you want your way on your terms once you buy a product.

Naturally, the law doesn't work that way, but that doesn't stop people from trying to push that angle.

I seem to remember there being a pretty clear disclaimer on that infamous update that "Other OS" compatibility would be removed if the end user agreed to the TOS. The end user had the option of declining, not updating and essentially being locked out of online services, but would still have the ability to run Linux for whatever that was worth.

The disclaimer wasn't even buried under the typical toilet paper roll wall of legal text either so making the "I'm too illiterate and stupid to read and know what I was agreeing to" claim doesn't hold any weight.



dsister on 13 March 2011

@Greenmedic

EULAs don't supercede law. As the PS3 fat was sold at many retailers with a "Supports Other OS" and Sony making several mentions of the Other OS taking it away was a form of false advertising and there were lawsuits and refunds to be had after it. 

Also one of the advertising points was the ability to play all PS3 games. If you didn't update then you would lose that ability. 

So you either lost one thing or the other. Linux or playing new games. It's completely in Sony's rights to block access PSN, but not for legitimate users to play new games



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