Sony's plan to usurp 3DS with their PSP2 revealed | |||
| Sony FTW! | 185 | 69.55% | |
| Nintendo is d0med | 81 | 30.45% | |
| Total: | 266 | ||
.. wait what?.. whats the difference between situation now and the situation back then with psp and ds?.. most people did say ds is doomed since psp is so much more stronger..
define what has changed since then.. now with the psp2 and 3ds situation?
stronger hardware -check
console based games ported to a handheld -check
??
| MaxwellGT2000 said:
NGP is releasing in Japan this year, not in America or Europe. Message boards aren't the best indicator, since game sites, boards, and the like hyped up PSP for it to be outsold 3 to 1 by the DS after launch, and that was with the PSP having a shit ton of launch games and DS lacking. Also the GBAs life was cut short because of PSP, if Sony didn't go on the offensive with the PSP, the GBA would have probably lived for a couple more years when Nintendo felt it was time to go to the DS, GBA started it's life in 2001 in little over 3 years later the successor puts out it's flame, the PSP on the other hand has been out for 6 and given plenty of room to grow and finally getting to the point GBA is at? You know the console that was cut short and the shortest generation for any Nintendo handheld? You're overestimating things me thinks. NGP isn't doing anything really special the 3DS isn't doing literally the only things I can list is 3G (not on every model) and a backpanel touchpad. The graphics aren't a quantum leap ahead of the 3DS (just the parts going into the NGP seem fairly pricey) and I read those NGP slides from GDC it said the cards for NGP would go up to 4GB... when the 3DS goes up to 8gb... limited space was one thing that killed a lot of PSP games, I really hope Sony isn't making the same mistake again there and that's just launch sizes. In short I'm saying don't go all in just yet, PSP rode on the coattails of the PS2 with so many PS2 game ports (typically poor ports mind you), and NGP is Sony doing more of the same "hey know those home console games? Well play em on the go!" instead of being like handheld developers and saying "hey know those home console games? Forget them and play something that's fun for 5 minutes while you're on the subway going to school or work!" You have to design your portable with the portable mentality from games to handheld design. Just being a home console just on the go isn't going to cut it, going for too much power and sacrificing battery isn't going to cut it, not having games that appeal to many audiences isn't going to cut it, and now the NGP isn't even got the backing the PSP had at the start. |
Actually, we don't know if it is only releasing in Japan or not. Sony hasn't made a definite decision, yet. As far as hype, I'm not talking about sales predictions, just general interest and excitement in the product.
The GBA was cut short by Nintendo, not Sony. No matter what Sony does, it is Nintendo who decides when to discontinue support for it. And while the last game they published for the GBA came out in 2006, the GBA was actually still on shelves in 2008. So that's actually ~ 7 years it took to reach that final number, not 3. So that means that the PSP needs to ship ~ 13 mil by the end of this year to reach that goal, which given its recent price cut and a holiday boost near the end of the year, I think it can get pretty darn close to accomplishing that. And for anyone to even get close or tie ANY of Nintendo's handhelds would have been deemed impossible just a few years back. Again, the highest anyone ever sold was Sega's Game Gear at 11 mil. The PSP will end up being ~ 8 times that amount.
I think its quite foolish to say that the graphics of the NGP aren't greatly ahead of the 3DS. The 3DS, in terms of graphics, truly looks like a slightly improved PSP. They can push it slightly more in terms of polygons, but the biggest difference I have seen is shadowing. The NGP games, on the other hand, looks almost as good as a PS3 game. Some developers have said they even took the assests from the PS3 counterpart, altered only slightly, and were able to run them on the NGP. And for game capacity, the UMD only had 1.8 GB, but the vast majority of games fit on a single disc. I think the NGP will be fine with only 4 GB. Besides, given that it is flash memory, that limit can always be raised in the future quite easily.
And let's not get on the topic of ports, because the 3DS has many of those incoming, too. Besides, I'm not even sure if any real ports have been announced for the NGP. Some of the games we saw were only tech demos, like MGS4. And Uncharted is confirmed to be an original chapter just for the NGP, as I'm guessing most games will turn out to be. As far as those "5 minute games" you're talking about, Sony already has a huge line up of Minis available on the PS Store. Then you have the casual games: Hot Shots Golf (uses a very unique way to control the camera), Hustle Kings, LBP, Little Deviants (uses a very unique way to control gameplay that I haven't seen anywhere else), Reality Fighters, and Smart As. Of course, we'll probably find out about more games at E3.
The fact is that there are more people, kids and parents liking the nintendo way...
And don't forget the biggest reason to get any nintendo system... MARIO..
This time people wiil see Mario's 3d world.... in 3d...
You also didn't said one of the other big things. that seperatly psp2 whit the 3ds... a freaking 3dcam.. playable in 3d... AND it looks like there will be 3d video recording to...
All the deals nintendo hat made, for 3dtrailers, sport and entertaiment... or that we this time also get mp3 player out of the box..
So just make these treads.. like the ds and wii.. LOL. it is very funny...:)
| MadeInDK said: AND it looks like there will be 3d video recording to... |
That's unfair competition right there so I didn't include it.
How can anyone compete with homemade 3D porn on the go?
psp lost because ds's touch screen let it have good games which were unplayable on psp unless they got ported and someone managed to figure out a good control scheme.
now that psp has touch screen it will basically have every game 3ds has (and iphone and android) except much better in terms of resolution, graphics, framerate and possibly even controls since the psp has the rear touch pad too.
put that together with proper PSN support and ds is doomed.
i simply dont think 3d will be a selling factor. tv 3d will become a minimum standard the same way HD did but in the handheld market 3ds is alone.
I think the psp2 is domed.. ..(Mayby not totally domed.. but they will not reach the psp1 numberes)
i was right about the wii.. lets see this time... But i think that even if it sells 20 mill before psp2 come out.. and even after selling more... You still will deny the fact...
MAJORITY OF GAMERS.. (ALL GAMERS NOT THE 12-17 YEARS BOYS, WHIT NO LIFE).. LIKE PLAYENG FUN GAMES... AND THEY LIKE MARIO...
the gamers, who plays 10 hour a day... are geeks whit no life.. and hopeless out numberet by all us, who...
JUST WANNA HAVE FUN..OHHH GAMERS JUST WANNA HAVE FUN.... THATS WHATS WE REALLY WAAANT.. HAVE FUN...
GEEKS WHIT GUNS AND CANDY FOR LUNCH.. ARE NOTHING BUT STUPID MORONS..:)
Oh Galaki, you silly. You cant give away a joke thread but putting in silly poll options. It defeats the purpose. =)
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| thismeintiel said: Actually, we don't know if it is only releasing in Japan or not. Sony hasn't made a definite decision, yet. As far as hype, I'm not talking about sales predictions, just general interest and excitement in the product. The GBA was cut short by Nintendo, not Sony. No matter what Sony does, it is Nintendo who decides when to discontinue support for it. And while the last game they published for the GBA came out in 2006, the GBA was actually still on shelves in 2008. So that's actually ~ 7 years it took to reach that final number, not 3. So that means that the PSP needs to ship ~ 13 mil by the end of this year to reach that goal, which given its recent price cut and a holiday boost near the end of the year, I think it can get pretty darn close to accomplishing that. And for anyone to even get close or tie ANY of Nintendo's handhelds would have been deemed impossible just a few years back. Again, the highest anyone ever sold was Sega's Game Gear at 11 mil. The PSP will end up being ~ 8 times that amount. I think its quite foolish to say that the graphics of the NGP aren't greatly ahead of the 3DS. The 3DS, in terms of graphics, truly looks like a slightly improved PSP. They can push it slightly more in terms of polygons, but the biggest difference I have seen is shadowing. The NGP games, on the other hand, looks almost as good as a PS3 game. Some developers have said they even took the assests from the PS3 counterpart, altered only slightly, and were able to run them on the NGP. And for game capacity, the UMD only had 1.8 GB, but the vast majority of games fit on a single disc. I think the NGP will be fine with only 4 GB. Besides, given that it is flash memory, that limit can always be raised in the future quite easily. And let's not get on the topic of ports, because the 3DS has many of those incoming, too. Besides, I'm not even sure if any real ports have been announced for the NGP. Some of the games we saw were only tech demos, like MGS4. And Uncharted is confirmed to be an original chapter just for the NGP, as I'm guessing most games will turn out to be. As far as those "5 minute games" you're talking about, Sony already has a huge line up of Minis available on the PS Store. Then you have the casual games: Hot Shots Golf (uses a very unique way to control the camera), Hustle Kings, LBP, Little Deviants (uses a very unique way to control gameplay that I haven't seen anywhere else), Reality Fighters, and Smart As. Of course, we'll probably find out about more games at E3. |
I got to "The 3DS, in terms of graphics, truly looks like a slightly improved PSP" gave up on giving you credit and just pulled a tl;dr that's a joke and a half in of itself, no reason to even continue this debate if you're going to say stuff like that cause it won't go anywhere.
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It's the masses called the consumers that decide if a product is "doomed" or not. Not an individual's opinion.
All this bigging up of a devices hardware don't mean shit if the masses don't buy it. You can produce the most powerful console with the best graphics ever invented but if very few people buy it what's the profit.
Have you not yet realise that this is the generation of the "gimmick"?
Why did MS release Kinect and Sony the Move? Because they caught on to that fact after wii's success.
Nintendo is doing something new again because no console has ever had 3D out the box (regardless of the quality of the graphics). No special TV or glasses required.
3D is the DS's "gimmick" and marketing tool as the wii-remote was the wii's, what is PSP2's?
Sony is just doing their usual, bigger, faster, stronger thing without adding any real innovations or most importantly, no "gimmick". They are showing themselves to be slow learners yet again.
That suits some people (mainly hardcore gamers) but the as MS proved by releasing Kinect the hardcore gamer must now share that console with the casual gamer, because it pays to have both types and ultimately it the money that talks.
The days of the hardcore only console (or NGP) are quickly passing into history. Welcome to the age of "the gimmick".
NB: I do not use the word "gimmick" in a derogatory sense. I just find it funny how the word was thrown around after the launch of the wii and now every console has one. Pure irony.
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