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thismeintiel on 26 February 2011
Immortal said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
KillerMan said:

The whole industry is rather massively down compared to last year (or to 2009 and 2008....). Luckily 3DS is just around corner.


dont worry. sony is just waiting now, to unleash their $199 ps3 and i dont care what microsoft replies with, just like the last price drop, ps3 will pull away again but THIS TIME, by a bigger margin and not only that but at the same time ps3 will overtake 360 somewhere in that period, i say november to april of next year. by the way, im going by sony's and microsoft's numbers, so people, dont start throwing numbers everywhere that are from vgchartz at me!

They broke even on $299 PS3 in... June 2010, I believe? No way in hell they'll make it to $199 before 2012 and it makes no sense whatsoever to go into the red for fun before that, especially with the expected loss that NGP might sell at.

And I'm not entirely convinced that $199 will have such an enormous effect at all. Not unless they package it with a SuperSlim, anyway.

While I agree that a $199 PS3 is at least 1-2 years, to even imply that a PS3 at that price point wouldn't be HUGE is quite delusional.  I have full faith that a $249 model is coming later this year, and I know that is going to be enough to propel the PS3 past the 360 once and for all.



 

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Immortal on 26 February 2011
thismeintiel said:

While I agree that a $199 PS3 is at least 1-2 years, to even imply that a PS3 at that price point wouldn't be HUGE is quite delusional.  I have full faith that a $249 model is coming later this year, and I know that is going to be enough to propel the PS3 past the 360 once and for all.


Look at Wii, for instance, the most recent console to get to $199. The price cut was huge, but within 8 or 9 months, Wii was already in a terrible decline again. Skip another half a year or so, and Wii couldn't possibly be doing worse. You see, it had a huge effect on the holidays - which, in itself, was debatable due to the effects of NSMBW, WFP and retailers' offers - but, in terms of long term effect, nothing. The power of $199 is exaggerated, really.

Oh, and I find it quite delusional, in your words, that a $249 model will be enough to push PS3 past 360 - MS still has more price cuts up their sleeve for the moment than Sony and, unlike Nintendo, they won't hesitate to use them.



 

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Aion on 26 February 2011

Great week for all, cant wait to see the psp next week?



 

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LivingMetal on 26 February 2011
Michael-5 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Michael-5 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Michael-5 said:

 The only difference between DVD and blu-ray is a different type of light reading the disk (a blue beam instead of red).

The talk of difference between the PS3 and 360 is up for debate (though each has striking advantages), but the difference between DVD & Blu-ray is substantial. Disc space for starters.

You know how Blu-Ray has more disk space? Blu-Ray systems read the data 5 times faster, so you can fit 5x as much data into the same space on a DVD. The disk is nearly the same with all optic properites. You know it's just a peice of glass bounded with plastic right?

If you somehow think the difference between Blu-ray and DVD is small, you would have it wrong. The differences go beyond the material they are used with. Just listen to any dev, the differences aren't small.

Nvm, you always want to argue don't you? My initial comment was about the picture about a Hellgast chasing Master Cheif in a Subaru. The difference isn't so big where the PS3 is a car, and the 360 is a pair of sneakers. There is a difference, of course, but generally the level of tech in both consoles is about the same.

Top spec PC compared to consoles, theres a significant difference. Why do you think Crysis takes place in a blocky city instead of a forst full of foliage? Neither PS3 nor 360 can handle Crysis graphics, even at half max.


"What is with all the hate?"



Jay520 on 26 February 2011
Immortal said:
thismeintiel said:

While I agree that a $199 PS3 is at least 1-2 years, to even imply that a PS3 at that price point wouldn't be HUGE is quite delusional.  I have full faith that a $249 model is coming later this year, and I know that is going to be enough to propel the PS3 past the 360 once and for all.


Look at Wii, for instance, the most recent console to get to $199. The price cut was huge, but within 8 or 9 months, Wii was already in a terrible decline again. Skip another half a year or so, and Wii couldn't possibly be doing worse. You see, it had a huge effect on the holidays - which, in itself, was debatable due to the effects of NSMBW, WFP and retailers' offers - but, in terms of long term effect, nothing. The power of $199 is exaggerated, really.

Oh, and I find it quite delusional, in your words, that a $249 model will be enough to push PS3 past 360 - MS still has more price cuts up their sleeve for the moment than Sony and, unlike Nintendo, they won't hesitate to use them.

Camparing the PS3 to the Wii is wrong for the following:

  • The Wii being a casual console will naturally have much lopsided sales in the holidays where casuals are most actives. The PS3 is more hardcore oriented and its sales won't drop off much in the middle of the year, as opposed to the Wii. Last year, PS3 had the smallest drop off at $299, I don't it'll drop off at $199.
  • The Wii dropped from 249 to 199, while the PS3 will drop from 299 to 199. That's double the drop that the Wii had.
A $199 price point would be Huge. 
Me personally, I don't believe it will drop to $199 this year, heck it might not even drop to $249. I could see them waiting until 2012 to drop $100.
I agree that a $249 price point won't push the PS3 over 360. If PS3 drops to $249, then 360 might just drop to $199. I don't care though. The PS3 is enjoyng very healthy sales going neck and neck with 360. And I see PS3 having the smallest dropoff as the dryspell picks up. Last year 360 dropped off more than PS3. This year, I could see it following the same pattern, seeing as how Kinect is casual and casuals don't buy as many consoles around Summer time. It should pick back up come the holidays, rivaling the Wii (unless Wii gets price cut, New mario, etc.).


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LivingMetal on 26 February 2011
AussieGecko said:

its funny how this is happening

 

when 360 fans were saying the 360 beat ps3 most people said statistical tie

now ps3 fans are saying ps3 beat 360 it is a done deal and no need for a price cut... wtf....

@livingmetal you were one of the ones that said nsanity's post in the reversed decisons, in fact you put wait till next week till it gets adjusted and ps3 gets ahead...

its odd how that happens.

 

First, lighten up.  Second, I was only messing with Nsanity.  Third, he took it personal.  Fourth even though I was joking, my comments are not without merit based of past current events.  Fifth, my claim was backed by numbers posted by another user.  Sixth, please stop stalking me.  I'm married, and I just became a father.  I know you want me, but I'm so way taken already.  Yes, I'm worth it, but you just have to live the rest of your life in disappointment without me.  Maybe in another lifetime under different circumstances.  One day... Maybe...



D-Joe on 27 February 2011
Jay520 said:
Immortal said:
thismeintiel said:

While I agree that a $199 PS3 is at least 1-2 years, to even imply that a PS3 at that price point wouldn't be HUGE is quite delusional.  I have full faith that a $249 model is coming later this year, and I know that is going to be enough to propel the PS3 past the 360 once and for all.


Look at Wii, for instance, the most recent console to get to $199. The price cut was huge, but within 8 or 9 months, Wii was already in a terrible decline again. Skip another half a year or so, and Wii couldn't possibly be doing worse. You see, it had a huge effect on the holidays - which, in itself, was debatable due to the effects of NSMBW, WFP and retailers' offers - but, in terms of long term effect, nothing. The power of $199 is exaggerated, really.

Oh, and I find it quite delusional, in your words, that a $249 model will be enough to push PS3 past 360 - MS still has more price cuts up their sleeve for the moment than Sony and, unlike Nintendo, they won't hesitate to use them.

Camparing the PS3 to the Wii is wrong for the following:

 

  • The Wii being a casual console will naturally have much lopsided sales in the holidays where casuals are most actives. The PS3 is more hardcore oriented and its sales won't drop off much in the middle of the year, as opposed to the Wii. Last year, PS3 had the smallest drop off at $299, I don't it'll drop off at $199.
  • The Wii dropped from 249 to 199, while the PS3 will drop from 299 to 199. That's double the drop that the Wii had.
A $199 price point would be Huge. 
Me personally, I don't believe it will drop to $199 this year, heck it might not even drop to $249. I could see them waiting until 2012 to drop $100.
I agree that a $249 price point won't push the PS3 over 360. If PS3 drops to $249, then 360 might just drop to $199. I don't care though. The PS3 is enjoyng very healthy sales going neck and neck with 360. And I see PS3 having the smallest dropoff as the dryspell picks up. Last year 360 dropped off more than PS3. This year, I could see it following the same pattern, seeing as how Kinect is casual and casuals don't buy as many consoles around Summer time. It should pick back up come the holidays, rivaling the Wii (unless Wii gets price cut, New mario, etc.).

 

now i'm thinking 360 Arcade 99/250GB 199 commercial will be like:



http://zh-tw.justin.tv/johndoe1899

Jay520 on 27 February 2011
Michael-5 said:
Conegamer said:
ethomaz said:
Conegamer said:
I reckon it'll end up around the same as Halo 3 LT...

For me over 10m sure but less than Halo 3 (11.4m).

That was my first prediction for Reach.

I think it will be close...

Dropping off FAR too quick for my liking. I wonder if the same will happen with GT5, though, it doesn't look like it ATM

GT5 already had a steep drop off. Haven't you noticed it's already out of the top 10, and that it's weekly sales are about half GT4's? GT4 was in the top 10 for about 25 weeks, selling 90k weekly, GT5 is like 20th selling 50k now.

It's understandable why GT5 isn't in the top ten because:

  • GT5 released in the era of the Call of Duty phenomenom. GT4 did not. GT4 didn't have to compete with COD games to make top ten.
  • GT5 released in the era of the Wii Phenomenom. GT4 did not. GT4 didn't have to compete with Wii games to make top ten.
  • GT5 released in the era of the DS Phenomenom. GT4 did, but DS is a lot stronger than '05. GT4 didn't have to compete with DS games to make the top ten.
  • GT5 released in the era of the Kinect phenomenom. GT4 did not. GT4 didn't have to compete with the Kinect and its games to make top ten.
  • GT5 released in the era of 4 healthy consoles. GT4 only had to compete with PS2 and DS games, while GT5 had to compete with PS3, Wii, 360, and DS games to make top ten
  • GT5 released in the holiday season. GT4 released in February (JP), April (NA), and May (EMEAA). GT4 didn't have to compete with all the holiday releases, and all the post holiday releases to make top ten.


Jay520 on 27 February 2011
AussieGecko said:

its funny how this is happening

 

when 360 fans were saying the 360 beat ps3 most people said statistical tie

now ps3 fans are saying ps3 beat 360 it is a done deal and no need for a price cut... wtf....

@livingmetal you were one of the ones that said nsanity's post in the reversed decisons, in fact you put wait till next week till it gets adjusted and ps3 gets ahead...

its odd how that happens.


It happens both ways. When X console beats Y consoles by a small amount. X fans will (generally) say X console one, whi Y fans will (generally) say tie.



thismeintiel on 27 February 2011
Immortal said:
thismeintiel said:

While I agree that a $199 PS3 is at least 1-2 years, to even imply that a PS3 at that price point wouldn't be HUGE is quite delusional.  I have full faith that a $249 model is coming later this year, and I know that is going to be enough to propel the PS3 past the 360 once and for all.


Look at Wii, for instance, the most recent console to get to $199. The price cut was huge, but within 8 or 9 months, Wii was already in a terrible decline again. Skip another half a year or so, and Wii couldn't possibly be doing worse. You see, it had a huge effect on the holidays - which, in itself, was debatable due to the effects of NSMBW, WFP and retailers' offers - but, in terms of long term effect, nothing. The power of $199 is exaggerated, really.

Oh, and I find it quite delusional, in your words, that a $249 model will be enough to push PS3 past 360 - MS still has more price cuts up their sleeve for the moment than Sony and, unlike Nintendo, they won't hesitate to use them.

The Wii has sold over 85 mil already, so its weaker sales can be attributed to saturation and as Jay520 pointed out, the Wii is a hot item during the holiday season.  This is probably because of its appeal to families and casuals during a time when most of them are shopping for gifts.  The PS3 on the other hand, sells relatively well all year long.  It also benefits from having more value for the buck, having more graphical ability, a Blu-ray player, and free online gaming (Wii does have this as well, but through a slightly complicated friend code system).  This is why we have seen such a huge difference in its sales since its price cut in '09.  And even though the 360 has a $199 entry model, the PS3 was able to drop the PS3/360 gap by ~ 4 mil in just a year.  This was around a time when a lot of 360 guys thought the gap would only conitnue to grow and the PS3 had no shot of closing it by even a mil.  In 2010, the PS3 still outsold the 360 even with that $199 model and huge 360 sales this holiday pushed by Kinect.  And unless Kinect can give 360 a repeat of last holiday season, there isn't going to be too much to stop the PS3 from outselling it in a year or two. 

Right now, the official gap is less than 3 mil (2.88 mil).  When the PS3 drops to $249, it will recieve a larger boost than the 360 does when MS undoubtedly drops its Elite model to just $249, due to a new low entry price coupled with that added value.