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Beuli2 said:
chocoloco said:
Beuli2 said:
chocoloco said:

Yeah grab it guys. I guess it is time I reveal my true identity to all of vgchartz. I don't joke Graf_chokolo.

Holy shit I had no idea!

Thank god they are letting me write still from my jail cell.

Indeed, too bad you'll be getting death sentence :(

"What? My records don't indicate he is to be executed"

"Are you questioning me?! It probably got held up in the paperwork!"

Sorry. Had to put a little Chrono Trigger in there.



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goddog said:

man sony could have aa PR victory by working with these guys to fix security and maybe restore the other OS option, but they just go out and try to stop it, which makes the issue worse. unless the guy was activly priating i have sypathy for him.

 

the harder sony squeezes the more control slips through thier hands

LOL!! Like I said previously. Sony's execs are going to come into work one day and might find PSN buggying out.  Who knows what those hackers might do next.

Did this guy even get arrested or did they just confiscate his equipment. Any great hackers usually have backup laptops and systems elsewhere. So if some does get confiscated all their data is still secure somewhere else. I wonder if this hacker did the same thing.



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Great this guy is getting the worst punishment when geohot was the one who created and released the original key. This is Operation pipe dreams and Operation Head Hunter all over again. If some of you guys remember.



fordy said:
markers said:
fordy said:
markers said:
buglebum said:
markers said:

Uploading it and then publicly admitting it is bad for him


Get a clue bud, uploading and publicly admitting what?

 

His work on exploiting the HV!? He's done nothing wrong, exactly like geohot, but this is even less difficult to defend against ignorant people.

Dude he is an accessory. You need to get a clue. He did something illegal, you know something that is against the law.

Question: Are emulator programmers classed as an accessory to piracy? Think long and hard now, because there have been actual court cases on this issue...


It should be, yes.

 

EDIT: We are talking about console emulators correct?

Key word there is SHOULD (even though I disagree with it)

However, the law is on his side in this one.

Key word is should, yes. But the reason it is should because it all depends on the judge/jury and how informed they are with technology.



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buglebum said:
IMU1808 said:

"And to prove it, i kept my word and uploaded all my HV reversing stuff.


Upload it everywhere so SONY couldn’t remove it easily. Grab it guys, it contains lots of knowledge about HV and HV procs."

Anyone care to defend this confession?


Confession of what?

 

There's nothing wrong with releasing his research on HV exploiting.

 

You do realise the goals of these people is purely to run linux, right or wrong it's hardly a crime.

then why hack ?

Linux was available from day one with the PS3.

Until they decided to use it to hack the console that is..



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PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

buglebum said:
Icyedge said:
buglebum said:
Icyedge said:
 

The point is that its Sony or Microsoft choice to sue an hacker if he release complete or part of their software. If its not doing them any bad they will obviously not sue them (kinect case), this doesnt mean they couldnt if they wanted.

On topic, now the guy is pretty much guilty since he admit releasing the hypervisor code for download.

PS.: May I remind everyone that on PS2 there has been boot disc and mod chip for years without sony sueing anyone.


He's not releasing, or ever going to release "hypervisor code".

It's his code, and his research that he's releasing.

Please do some googling and investigation and you will see this is one of the good guys that has specifically been very careful not to break any laws.


Stop you nonsense bubblegum, its getting ridiculous. When you have tool to reverse engineer or to make custom firmware you have automatically part or full of the original code in it. Its linked together.

"Guys, i don’t joke, it’s serious.
And to prove it, i kept my word and uploaded all my HV reversing stuff."

That isn't true in the slightest, what makes you think that?

The end user downloads the original Sony firmware, the hacker provides the tools to modify that firmware. The hacker provides no copyrighted code.

Even the decryption key that geohot provided isn't copyrighted, since it can be derived by reversing without knowledge of trade secrets. It's questionable if a decryption key can even be copyrighted in the first place from my understanding but I can't be sure of that. Would be curious to know if anyone knows better.

Actually the law around reverse engineering are quite complex.

I know about them because I deal with them on a professional level.

I'm not sure about hardware but on the software level for example it's quite complex.

Lets say you want to make an application that reads excel files. It is not legal to purchase a copy of excel and use it to reverse engineer how excel saves its files...

What you can do it get public available excel files and try to understand what those files contain. But at a business level it is illegal if the developer doing the reverse engineering  has access to the application he is targeting.

What most companies do to get around this is they subcontract that work and the contractor asks for the original company  to create a bunch of excel files with specifics characteristics and then to provide those to him ( and that is legal).

I'm not aware of any company every trying to apply those rules to non company entities, but they are there........

I guess following those rules you could argue those hackers ran the original Sony software to see how it works so that they could change it's behavior through a mod, and technically that's a grey area ( but like I said I'm not aware of anyone ever suing anyone except a business over something like this..)



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

XanderZane said:
goddog said:

man sony could have aa PR victory by working with these guys to fix security and maybe restore the other OS option, but they just go out and try to stop it, which makes the issue worse. unless the guy was activly priating i have sypathy for him.

 

the harder sony squeezes the more control slips through thier hands

LOL!! Like I said previously. Sony's execs are going to come into work one day and might find PSN buggying out.  Who knows what those hackers might do next.

Did this guy even get arrested or did they just confiscate his equipment. Any great hackers usually have backup laptops and systems elsewhere. So if some does get confiscated all their data is still secure somewhere else. I wonder if this hacker did the same thing.


You know that probably would be a good thing.

Because while the current thing Sony is doing is hard to win a court, winning a court case against someone that brought down the PSN would be pretty easy....... And most of those hackers have too much ego to keep secret one such thing if they ever were to perform it...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Americant_heroxbox said:

Real hackers comunity says : ''now is pesonal''

 

lol. This image is abit true in a way. These "hackers" do have a community supporting them. The more aggressive Sony gets with their actions, the worse they're gonna it's gonna be on them.

 

The 360 is doing extremely well even with piracy following it around for ages, but Sony just can't seem to accept it. Can't wait to see what happens in the future with all of this. I honestly can't see ending with Sony being satisfied/winning though.

Either way, the ps3 will be fine.



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buglebum said:
Icyedge said:
buglebum said:
Icyedge said:
 


Stop you nonsense bubblegum, its getting ridiculous. When you have tool to reverse engineer or to make custom firmware you have automatically part or full of the original code in it. Its linked together.

"Guys, i don’t joke, it’s serious.
And to prove it, i kept my word and uploaded all my HV reversing stuff."

That isn't true in the slightest, what makes you think that?

The end user downloads the original Sony firmware, the hacker provides the tools to modify that firmware. The hacker provides no copyrighted code.

Even the decryption key that geohot provided isn't copyrighted, since it can be derived by reversing without knowledge of trade secrets. It's questionable if a decryption key can even be copyrighted in the first place from my understanding but I can't be sure of that. Would be curious to know if anyone knows better.

You create a CFW with a patch that replace some of the original files with modified files of the same name. Its the only way to trick the system into thinking its legit. Once that done, then yes you can also script your own files to add features to the CFW.


True, but that is not illegal.

Those patches modify the firmware - but geohothacker is not the person that offers those full modified files for download. It's a fine line and it hasn't been crossed. All the modifiying is done at the user end, if I'm wrong please correct me as I have done the hack myself and that's how it works from my understanding.

You do need a modified file to get the PS3 to accept the hacked firmware, but that file isn't provided by geohothacker etc (in this case).

Sure it is, he provided a file called jailbreak.zip on his website that does that work for you...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !