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Kirby, they just don't understand logic, it's OK, you and I know what the REAL deal is.

So now people can't have an opinion on the matter, even when those opinions don't encroach into irritationality?

wtf  where does he say that?

Well, when someone says this:

"Kirby, they just don't understand logic, it's OK, you and I know what the REAL deal is."

Then it might mean that they are hellbent with their beliefs that any opposing side to the matter is seen as illogical.

Sienar Iam not discussing with you anymore .If you looked to the evolution of the Spain numbers you will clearly see the numbers have been changed to what I was saying twice .France numbers too but only once ,and after the last numbers by MS representatives and Gfk they should be changed again and in the same mould ...lower the 360 numbers and rise the PS3 ones .Dont know why ioi hasnt done it yet when there have been two data sets (when X360 was 400K and now 500K) that could have served to change numbers but sooner or later he will have to.Same with PS3 .

If you look at last year european numbers for these weeks they were less than half the numbers this year.Dont know if UK can manage to uplift the 360 numbers in all Europe by itself ,but I can say you the X360 isnt selling more than twice the numbers of last christmas in continental europe and probably in UK too.The spending now goes to 3 machines not just one and the Wii and PS3 just are more popular and better perceived.

As Gfk ,Gamecharts etc give officcial data and estimationsfor Europe next year there will be a lot of adjustements ,and they wont be to your liking I fear.Ioi has adjusted numbers whenever he has learned more about them so hes trying to do a good job on this but his sources simply overtracks the 360 always and have to come up with adjustements later to balance things .

Besides ,if you looked NPD data closely you will have perceived clearly that NPD puts the US userbase of the 360 in 7.8 million whereas vgchartz has it at nearly 10 millions .Adding Canada doesnt arrange this .So we are talking a bit on thin air .

Should the title fo this thread be changed to "Making holiday excuses for the PS3! Yeah Baby!"

I mean for the love of budha, this has degenerated into splitting hairs over sales in a few european countries. The PS3 manages to peak interests during the holiday rush where money is not an object to most consumers and all of the sudden its like we've taken a time machine back to the PS3's launch where every wild eyed fanboys seeds the forums with predictions and premature claims of victory. There is a far cry between optimism and just throwing caution to the way side.

Might I also remind us that the 8m prediction for the PS3 was made before the 40gb version was announced. So the fact the PS3 needed a new cheaper SKU just to reach an old prediction isn't exactly a good sign or something you can take to the bank as a "I told you so".

Let's just say that the 360 underperformed during the Holiday season WW. It has the advantage of price (Both Arcade and Premium) and games (Bioshock, Halo, Mass Effect, Lost Oddessy and others). With that combination, the 360 WW sales should have been 1.8-2 to 1 in favor of the 360.

Hell look at the PS3's first party titles underperforming (R&C, Uncharted). Those should have been signs that the PS3 was going to limp into the holiday season. The 40 gig helped, even if it is overpriced compared to the Arcade and premium 360's.

Yes it will be around spring to see how well the 40 gig can sell. Haze can help (somewhat) along with the DMC 4 bundle. Both can be helpful to keep sales higher than normal (not OMG high).

I was talking to a few men - in their 40s and 50s about video games (I am the video game blogger for the newspaper). They were all goo-gooing over my DS Lite and we started talking about the PS3. I told one of the gents that he should buy a 40gb PS3 if he wants to watch movies - but not play PS2 games. And just like clockwork, he was like 'But I thought all PS3s could play PS2 games?' And once again, he proved what I know folks are thinking. They *assume* every PS3 can play PS2 games. And with the PS brand, you can *trust* it.

I really, really believe a lot of folks are buying it thinking they can play their PS2 games. I can't wait to see a class-action lawsuit on the matter.

You don't have to believe me - ask potential customers about the PS3 and why they want it and see what they say. Folks will buy it for their children because they asked. They will walk into a Gamestop and head for the cheap PS2 games and be sadly mistaken.