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Doobie_wop said:

I've just finished reading the 'The Wise Mans Fear', which is the sequel to 'The Name of the Wind'. I'm telling everyone right now, go and borrow or buy this book, don't wait, don't dawdle, just get it and read it, because I can honestly say it's one of the greatest fantasy novels ever written. Read them both, come back, scream about how satisfied you are and then maybe we can finally discuss the greatness of the best fiction novels written in the last ten years and how it's author is a demi God of literacy.


I have about 100 pages left on Wise Man's Fear and I'm actually not as nearly in love with it as I was Name of the Wind.  The Name of the Wind was simply one of the best books I've ever read.  It had a few points where it lulled a little (though that could be because I hate Denna, she just bores me) but I loved it.  There were just too many parts in The Wise Man's Fear where I was just bored (though I still like it).

I won't go into it since I can't figure out how to make good spoiler text here but there were points where I just wanted to pick up and shake Patrick Rothfuss and yell I get it!  Kvoth is poor and Denna is pretty but flaky! (along with other things that would be spoilerific).  Again, the book is good, but he just spent so much time on some things that were either well established in the first book or weren't actually that interesting.

Also, I will say this.  I thought a movie adaptation of the series could be cool...until I read this book.  Let's just say the last half of the movie would easily be rated R and that would keep it from ever happening. 



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twesterm said:
Doobie_wop said:

I've just finished reading the 'The Wise Mans Fear', which is the sequel to 'The Name of the Wind'. I'm telling everyone right now, go and borrow or buy this book, don't wait, don't dawdle, just get it and read it, because I can honestly say it's one of the greatest fantasy novels ever written. Read them both, come back, scream about how satisfied you are and then maybe we can finally discuss the greatness of the best fiction novels written in the last ten years and how it's author is a demi God of literacy.


I have about 100 pages left on Wise Man's Fear and I'm actually not as nearly in love with it as I was Name of the Wind.  The Name of the Wind was simply one of the best books I've ever read.  It had a few points where it lulled a little (though that could be because I hate Denna, she just bores me) but I loved it.  There were just too many parts in The Wise Man's Fear where I was just bored (though I still like it).

I won't go into it since I can't figure out how to make good spoiler text here but there were points where I just wanted to pick up and shake Patrick Rothfuss and yell I get it!  Kvoth is poor and Denna is pretty but flaky! (along with other things that would be spoilerific).  Again, the book is good, but he just spent so much time on some things that were either well established in the first book or weren't actually that interesting.

Also, I will say this.  I thought a movie adaptation of the series could be cool...until I read this book.  Let's just say the last half of the movie would easily be rated R and that would keep it from ever happening. 

A movie adaptation would be impossible. I thought about it long and hard, but it can't be done. It's not a book based around action or adventure, which means that they'd have to rely on the art direction and acting, which would have to be perfect. I can't think of a current young, handsome actor that could take the leading role, but a young Johnny Depp would have probably been perfect.

As for the book, I liked it more. It's a lot more straight forward and it isn't weighed down too much by a lackluster backstory mythology like the last one. I'm also not a fan of Denna and I'm guessing that's Patricks intention, but it's dragging on for way to long and the brief encounters with a lot of the smaller chracters were far more interesting and should been explored. The book also stayed way too long in the Fae, that was just ridiculous and at one point I just started to skip pages.

Overall I enjoyed this book more, but that's only because I didn't enjoy the ending of the last book and they wasted too much time on Taborlin and all that nonsense. I also understand that this is the middle book and the general notion is that the middle book is always the hardest to swallow and that's because it's the build up and the foundation for what could be the ending of the series, which also constricts the amount of freedom he has to add in newer ideas . I don't know if it's going to be a trilogy, but I do know the next book is coming in 2012 and there is no word on a fourth. I hope it does go longer though, I find that many authors cut their stories short because they think they have to, but I'd much rather they go into more detail and not rush the ending (which something most fantasy authors do).

I'm floundering a little right now, the search for a new book has been kind of hard and usually when I come off a really good book, I have to jump on to a new one to keep up my high. 'The Painted Man' and 'The Black Prism' are on my reading list right now, but I'm struggling to find a book that can match Patricks banter and characters.



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Doobie_wop said:

I've just finished reading the 'The Wise Mans Fear', which is the sequel to 'The Name of the Wind'. I'm telling everyone right now, go and borrow or buy this book, don't wait, don't dawdle, just get it and read it, because I can honestly say it's one of the greatest fantasy novels ever written. Read them both, come back, scream about how satisfied you are and then maybe we can finally discuss the greatness of the best fiction novels written in the last ten years and how it's author is a demi God of literacy.

Come the hell on. I respect the fact people have different opinions about different stuff and I'm well aware of the (few) flaws of the books I prefer myself, but calling Rothfuss a demi God of literacy made my balls hurt big time.

The Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear had both their merits, but their flaws become glaring after a closer. A lot of characters feel likecardboard cutouts, the story copies main points of other successful novels as a cheap attempt to give itself more visibility, description lost in useless stuff - almost zero (adequate) worldbuilding but a lot of attempts to give characterization through small actions that become annoying after some time. A writer should make it pretty clear how a character is feeling by it's dialogue, no need for detalied descriptions of frowning or shrugging and on and on and on. We are not idiots, mr. Rothfuss. We get it, alright?

Not to mention Kvothe himself, how weak as a character he actually is, besides having a dodgy name to say at least. Someone should forbid fantasy authors of using impossible consonant combinations or rand'omly pla'cing apo'stroph'es on words.

But anyways I appreciate the sense of forward movement of these books, it reminds me a bit of Chronicles of the Black Company (maybe I shouldn't mention CotBC in the same sentence as NotW and WMF after everything I said, but I'll say it anyways for the sake of anyone who enjoyed these books).



 

 

 

 

 

Doobie_wop said:

A movie adaptation would be impossible. I thought about it long and hard, but it can't be done. It's not a book based around action or adventure, which means that they'd have to rely on the art direction and acting, which would have to be perfect. I can't think of a current young, handsome actor that could take the leading role, but a young Johnny Depp would have probably been perfect.

As for the book, I liked it more. It's a lot more straight forward and it isn't weighed down too much by a lackluster backstory mythology like the last one. I'm also not a fan of Denna and I'm guessing that's Patricks intention, but it's dragging on for way to long and the brief encounters with a lot of the smaller chracters were far more interesting and should been explored. The book also stayed way too long in the Fae, that was just ridiculous and at one point I just started to skip pages.


YES.

******************SPOILER WALL OF TEXT, STOP READING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE***************

I'm making this a wall of text just to make it harder to read since I can't figure out how to black out text.  Sincer.  Apology.  Anyways, yes, my thoughts exactly.  I keep wanting to think Rothfuss doesn't want us to like Denna but he just spends so much time on her.  We got it perfectly well in the first book that he likes Denna and she's flaky.  He doesn't need to spend 100 pages on it.  He just seems to like her so much but she's just such a bad character that I don't see how you can like her.  Even when he tries to make us like her when she's talking to the runaway I still didn't care.  She still kind of a bitch and really annoying.  And then there's the money troubles.  While I loved Devi and the duel with Devi was incredible, everything else having to do with money is just a waste.  Again, perfectly well established Kvothe has crap for money, no need to spend page after page after page on it.  It's frustrating he dwells so much on that and then completely skips over things that could be interesting like he passage to Severen.  I loved all the other interactions at the university.  I barely remembered Will and Simm from the first book but now I love them and all the other minor characters from The University.  I loved him in Alveron's court, that all was really cool, it just sucked when he started focusong on Denna again.  Then there was the Fae.  I was pretty excited about this part since a friend spoiled it for me and I kept waiting for him to enter the Fae while looking for the bandits.  At first, this seemed cool and interesting, and then he just kept staying there.  He went on for sooooooooo long and I eventually started skimming too.  His time in Adem almost started feeling like that with his training, but it generally stayed interesting thankfully (I just got to where he got his sword and took the passage of the stone test), though I assume this is because there was minimal mention of Denna.  The only thing I'm worried about now with 100 pages left is he still has to go back to the University!  I expected him to be fully through with The University in this book with almost no mention of it in the third book but looks like I might be wrong.  Hopefully the last 100 pages change this because I don't want to spend the first 300 pages of the next book learning about how Kvothe is having troubles making tuition.

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Anyways, I'll probably finish it tonight so we'll see how it ends.



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This is one of my favorite books ever. It was also the first book to make me cry (I cried at the end).

 

I'm also glad this thread isn't dead.



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I started reading Angles and Demons by Den Braun. Hopefully, it will be as good as Da Vinci's Code



I'm almost done with Wuthering Heights for my literature class. I had to stop halfway through Gulliver's Travels but I will be picking that back up when I'm done.

I've also been reading some short stories like "The Death of Ivan Ilych" by Tolstoy, "The Enormous Radio" by Cheever, and "Royal Beatings" by Alice Munro.

Wuthering Heights was surprisingly enjoyable or should I say interesting. I found it much better than Jane Eyre by the authro's sister.

I'm glad this thread is still alive.



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It´s nice to see that some here have such a good taste for books. 1984 is among some of my favorites, as is ' Ten little niggers`(And then there was none), two books I still have fresh in my mind, despite having read such a long time ago.

For those who cited Ken Follet, I recomend 'Fall of Giants', wich is a nice portrait of how the society of that time(1910s) changed so much so fast.



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haxxiy said:
Doobie_wop said:

I've just finished reading the 'The Wise Mans Fear', which is the sequel to 'The Name of the Wind'. I'm telling everyone right now, go and borrow or buy this book, don't wait, don't dawdle, just get it and read it, because I can honestly say it's one of the greatest fantasy novels ever written. Read them both, come back, scream about how satisfied you are and then maybe we can finally discuss the greatness of the best fiction novels written in the last ten years and how it's author is a demi God of literacy.

Come the hell on. I respect the fact people have different opinions about different stuff and I'm well aware of the (few) flaws of the books I prefer myself, but calling Rothfuss a demi God of literacy made my balls hurt big time.

The Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear had both their merits, but their flaws become glaring after a closer. A lot of characters feel likecardboard cutouts, the story copies main points of other successful novels as a cheap attempt to give itself more visibility, description lost in useless stuff - almost zero (adequate) worldbuilding but a lot of attempts to give characterization through small actions that become annoying after some time. A writer should make it pretty clear how a character is feeling by it's dialogue, no need for detalied descriptions of frowning or shrugging and on and on and on. We are not idiots, mr. Rothfuss. We get it, alright?

Not to mention Kvothe himself, how weak as a character he actually is, besides having a dodgy name to say at least. Someone should forbid fantasy authors of using impossible consonant combinations or rand'omly pla'cing apo'stroph'es on words.

But anyways I appreciate the sense of forward movement of these books, it reminds me a bit of Chronicles of the Black Company (maybe I shouldn't mention CotBC in the same sentence as NotW and WMF after everything I said, but I'll say it anyways for the sake of anyone who enjoyed these books).


Hyberbole on my part. I mentioned a few problems I had with the book later on. I still think his the best fantasy author that we have today and most of flaws you mentioned are either small in the grand schemes or small in comparison to the many glaring faults that I've found in fantasy novels written between 1990 and today. I like that Patrick is trying to break the standard fantasy mold (a few other new authors are helping as well).



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Signalstar said:

I'm almost done with Wuthering Heights for my literature class. I had to stop halfway through Gulliver's Travels but I will be picking that back up when I'm done.

I've also been reading some short stories like "The Death of Ivan Ilych" by Tolstoy, "The Enormous Radio" by Cheever, and "Royal Beatings" by Alice Munro.

Wuthering Heights was surprisingly enjoyable or should I say interesting. I found it much better than Jane Eyre by the authro's sister.

I'm glad this thread is still alive.


What are you moving on to when you finish high school? I studied literature as well, but I didn't directly move on to any courses based around writing and I kind of regret it. I'm currently trying to get into a Bachelor of Communications. 

The reason I ask is that Literature was really hard to get into in my high school and it was usually a course made for people that are interested in picking a course involving professional writing.



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