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Boutros said:

The lack of 3rd party support is also mostly due to the technical perfmormance of the Wii.

Developers most of time have to do a whole new game for the Wii. A simple port of the HD version won't work.

I haven't read ahead, but I won't be surprised if you catch much flak from this statement. One that I agree with.

I don't see the point in doing SD ports of most of the top IPs of the generation because there simply isn't anything gained in the translation. More is lost due to the technical deficiencies than anything else, which have nothing to do with "lazy developers" and more to do with basic technical constraints to include the basics of RAM, VRAM, and general GPU and CPU processing power.

The vast majority of games I've enjoyed on the Wii have been those that simply wouldn't translate well to traditional joypad controls. If they did, why would I bother playing that game on the Wii unless it was developed by Nintendo/exclusive?



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Gilgamesh said:
Play4Fun said:

 I thought the Wii was selling at around the same rate as PS3/360...  >_>

Were people expecting the sales to keep sky-rocketing into the heavens for all eternity? Never slowing down?

Nintendo will just squeeze the last drops out of it, like Sony did with the PS2, and move on to its successor.

Nintendo didn't try to cater to 3rd parties as well as they should have but the support is still better than it was in the GC days.

They just have to fix the mistakes they made for the successor.


So you think it's normal for a market leader to peak on it's 2nd year and sell quite a bit less every year after while the competition get's stronger and stronger with sales? Normally it's suppose to peak around the 4th year then have sales slowly going down while still killing the competition.

This is definitely a first, usually when we find a market leader it dominates the whole gen. The way things are looking in the end this gen could become a statistical tie between the Wii, PS3 and X360.

I do hope you're joking...

The 360 and the PS3 each outselling the Wii by about 50,000 units each week for a while won't make up for what happened in the first few years of the generation.

In fact at that rate it'd take about 13 years to close the gap (and that's just the 360, never mind the PS3)...

As well as they're both doing now, they're never going to sell like the Wii did at its peak, and that's the killer difference.



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The Wii's lagging behind can be attributed to a single issue; software. Nintendo's last great system-seller was New Super Mario Bros. Wii right before 2010 hit - since then, we've had great games but none that really appeal to this vast, untouched market that do not have a Wii yet. If you wanted a Wii for Wii Fit, you've got one. A Wii Fit-like game is not going to magically cause a new explosion. Likewise, Donkey Kong Country Returns didn't exactly light fires, because it's close enough to NSMBWii.

From here on, Nintendo's got two things that have remained unaddressed in gaming; Skyward Sword and the Vitality Sensor. How they play these two elements out will be interesting to see.



Roma said:
oniyide said:

cant we at least wait till next week and see how the Wii does, before we start saying doom??? Wii's not my favorite console but Jeez!!!

Since when was the Wii not doomed?

 

The reasons are no good 3rd party games, saturation and the system does not break so much so people do not have to re-buy them over and over again

There are plenty of good 3rd party "core" games, you just need to look for them



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

milkyjoe said:
Gilgamesh said:
Play4Fun said:

 I thought the Wii was selling at around the same rate as PS3/360...  >_>

Were people expecting the sales to keep sky-rocketing into the heavens for all eternity? Never slowing down?

Nintendo will just squeeze the last drops out of it, like Sony did with the PS2, and move on to its successor.

Nintendo didn't try to cater to 3rd parties as well as they should have but the support is still better than it was in the GC days.

They just have to fix the mistakes they made for the successor.


So you think it's normal for a market leader to peak on it's 2nd year and sell quite a bit less every year after while the competition get's stronger and stronger with sales? Normally it's suppose to peak around the 4th year then have sales slowly going down while still killing the competition.

This is definitely a first, usually when we find a market leader it dominates the whole gen. The way things are looking in the end this gen could become a statistical tie between the Wii, PS3 and X360.

I do hope you're joking...

The 360 and the PS3 each outselling the Wii by about 50,000 units each week for a while won't make up for what happened in the first few years of the generation.

In fact at that rate it'd take about 13 years to close the gap (and that's just the 360, never mind the PS3)...

As well as they're both doing now, they're never going to sell like the Wii did at its peak, and that's the killer difference.

I'd assume he's joking, even if the Wii doesn't sell another copy, it'd still take around 3 years of top-tier sales to overtake it, and the 360 probably has around one more left in it, so if it stopped selling now, it'd be close. So it seems impossible for it to catch it, people just need to maintain their hope



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

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Zlejedi said:
Metallicube said:

Call me crazy, but I still feel Nintendo is in better shape than its competitors. Yes, the HD consoles are finally starting to BAAARELY outsell the Wii, but let's look at all that it took in order for it to happen..

-SEVERAL price drops, especially for the PS3. PS3 has dropped 50% of its initial value after only 3 years, which is pretty unheard of. And it's still struggling in America, the biggest gaming market.

So ? Noone stopped Nintendo from doing their own price drops ?

- Multiple bundles and console skews, again, particularly for the PS3.

So? Did someone stand next to Iwata with gun in a hand telling him to never do any bundles? And that's if we convieniently ignore the fact that Wii is only console that was always bundled with game and later two games outside of Japan (and few smaller countries).

- Redesigns for BOTH consoles, which in part act as a fresh new launch, as many people run out and rebuy their console. Look at what the redesign did to the DS after all.. So it's almost as if Wii is going up against 4 consoles.

 So ? Again if they wanted they could have been lot more active in this field - even by simply increasing number of colors

- Universal support of third parties, like 90% of the support as opposed to like 10% for the Wii. More support means more, and better games, which means more sales, and more longevity.

That's the price Nintendo has to pay for releasing console that is generation apart from competitors in horsepower. But i don't see any effort on their part to change this situation - look at Microsoft they spend milions to receive software support but it's now paying off since noone can ignore x360 now. They could have at least offered small Japanise devs support in releasing their titles WW.

- Motion control devices for BOTH consoles. Kinect in particular has been treated almost like an entirely new console launch for MS.

So ? How is that diffrent from what Wii Fit did for Wii ?

-The added value of Blu Ray on the PS3, which seems to be having an effect in Japan particularly, as PS3 console sales are high there but game sales are pretty low.

Most PS3 game sales in Japan are concentrated around launches of new games - not in a bunch of same evergreen titles which regularly chart in top 10. January was releatively weak as currently 1/4 of PS3 games sold comes from Samurai Warriors 3 but next few weeks will improve that ratio. 

Clearly MS and Sony are more reliant on hardware features to maintain momentum. But you only have so many of these cards.

They also have superior online support (especially Microsoft) and bigger distribution networks (Especially Sony)  and it's them who have 3rd party support.

Wii on the other hand simply needs more games to thrive. Right now it doesn't have them. NSMB, the biggest hardware mover, is now over a year old. If Wii just gets more games that can sell, it easilly negates all of these marketing moves (and yes, a price drop couldn't hurt at this point either ;)). This to me is more sustainable than relying more on hardware features and marketing.

Except they are now too busy making 3DS software so the next wave of Wii games could arrive in 2012-2013 if all those studios shifted from handheld to console development right after finishing launch 3DS titles. And again with all the money they have been doing in previous years they could have accumulated more studios - Sony on it's own has one big title planned for each month in 2012.

In other words there's only one company that can be blamed for current Wii sales - Nintendo itself and sum of the errors, arrogancy and architecture they chosen for Wii.

Kinda like a reverse of start of this generation when Sony suffered from it's own design errors and bad decisions to learn from it and improve with each passing year.

Sorry for the triple post, but that's not what he means...he's not saying they couldn't have done all those things, they chose not to. He means that without these re-designs, price cuts etc., would the other consoles be doing as well as tey are now?

Let's not forget, Nintendo could still quite easily have a re-design, price drop etc. So let's not call Nintendo down for the count just yet after 1 week of poor sales



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

pezus said:
Conegamer said:
milkyjoe said:
Gilgamesh said:
Play4Fun said:

 I thought the Wii was selling at around the same rate as PS3/360...  >_>

Were people expecting the sales to keep sky-rocketing into the heavens for all eternity? Never slowing down?

Nintendo will just squeeze the last drops out of it, like Sony did with the PS2, and move on to its successor.

Nintendo didn't try to cater to 3rd parties as well as they should have but the support is still better than it was in the GC days.

They just have to fix the mistakes they made for the successor.


So you think it's normal for a market leader to peak on it's 2nd year and sell quite a bit less every year after while the competition get's stronger and stronger with sales? Normally it's suppose to peak around the 4th year then have sales slowly going down while still killing the competition.

This is definitely a first, usually when we find a market leader it dominates the whole gen. The way things are looking in the end this gen could become a statistical tie between the Wii, PS3 and X360.

I do hope you're joking...

The 360 and the PS3 each outselling the Wii by about 50,000 units each week for a while won't make up for what happened in the first few years of the generation.

In fact at that rate it'd take about 13 years to close the gap (and that's just the 360, never mind the PS3)...

As well as they're both doing now, they're never going to sell like the Wii did at its peak, and that's the killer difference.

I'd assume he's joking, even if the Wii doesn't sell another copy, it'd still take around 3 years of top-tier sales to overtake it, and the 360 probably has around one more left in it, so if it stopped selling now, it'd be close. So it seems impossible for it to catch it, people just need to maintain their hope

It's not about catching the Wii anyway. Nintendo is a video game company so if the Wii sales start to fall even further they need to do something to stay in the game.

I'm well aware of that, but that's not what he said now is it?

Anyway, around 10-30k lower than the other consoles on a weekly basis isn't troubling Nintendo...



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

wait, when did the Wii fall from grace exactly? Last I checked it was still the best selling console this gen...



@conegamer  isnt that kind of the point, the systems' 3rd party lineup must not be good if i have to look for games. Why the hell should someone have to wade through the Hannah Montanas and Barbies to get to the good stuff??? No other console on the market is like that. 360 good games out the wazoo, PS3 got a back catalog of games i havent even touched, hell dont even have the harddrive space to play them, even PSP does not have that problem (at least not in Japan??) YOur the market leader and i have to look for good games on your system??? im sorry but thats BS, it should be like PS2 where were tripping over games to play. Wii the only system iMO that does not have that problem



pezus said:
O-D-C said:

wait, when did the Wii fall from grace exactly? Last I checked it was still the best selling console this gen...

It went from first to last place in the weekly numbers, that's pretty much it.

OH KNOEWS! 1 week!