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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Mountie said:
Avinash,

You've been around long enough to know that you can't compare Wii first year to PS2 first year properly since the PS2 launched in Japan first:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS2®2=All&cons3=PS2®3=Japan&weeks=156

By the slopes of the graphs you can tell that the Wii is selling at approximately the same rate as the PS2 in its first year once the rest of the world kicked in. True, the Wii was supply constrained whereas the PS2 wasn't. But you can't say the Wii will double because the PS2 doubled, because the PS2 DIDN'T! Look at the slopes, they are the same.

This is an interesting graph showing how the Wii is currently doing in Japan:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS2®2=All&cons3=Wii®3=Japan&weeks=156


Yes that's true that PS2 launched earlier in Japan than in other regions, but that is by and large irrelevant since in every region Wii is leading over PS2 sales over the same time period, which shows that Wii demand and production is higher (Since Wii was able to enter the markets much faster and sell in all three at a higher rate)

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=Japan&cons2=PS2®2=Japan&cons3=X360®3=------&weeks=58 

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=America&cons2=PS2®2=America&cons3=X360®3=------&weeks=58

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=Total+Other&cons2=PS2®2=Total+Other&cons3=X360®3=------&weeks=58

So while its true that PS2's doubling was more due to adding more regions than anything, but even taking PS2 out of the equation we still see the rise in DS sales which does by and large double as well in its second year

 


Yes, I've kicked over one strawman (the PS2) now to take the DS.......

The Wii is selling as well as the DS in its 2nd year (which is phenomenal obviously!!!) But for it to double, it would sell pretty much as fast as the DS is selling right now! Just looking at price alone do you think that's possible?!!? The DS costs like half as much!

For those reasons, its safe to assume that a 50% increase is reasonable but 100% isn't without either a price drop or new colours. Especially since the Wii has more competition than the DS.



Prediction:

The PS2 & PS3 will outsell the Wii in 2008.

Lifetime sales of PS3 in Japan will be at least 8 million consoles.

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I said it before, I said it before then, and I'll say it again.

Nintendo's mission now and for the last some-odd months has been to figure out how to increase supply without sacrificing quality (an absolute no-no in Nintendo's book) and without wasting unnecessary funds (another big Nintendo-no-no).

Demand DEMANDS that Nintendo increases supply. I don't know why people think Nintendo is stuck forever at a 1.8 million a month production tally. As demand shows itself Nintendo will attempt to meet it...and fail, of course, since this demand is unprecedented and newer games along with its building history will only increase it further.

But regardless of always falling short of crowd favor for the system, they will better reach the demand as time goes on.

DO NOT expect a fall off for Wii in 2008. Fatal mistake. Demand will GROW in 2008 making 2006 & 2007 look like utter "Bull Shannon". I put my hand on the Bible, the Koran, and the Kama Sutra I believe it so strongly.

The only setbacks are working out the kinks with parts suppliers and devising an efficient production model as the production capabilities expand. It takes time and planning so the results won't be seen right away but they WILL catch up. Only problem is as soon as they catch up demand moves to a new water level and they have to go through this all again.

No one had EVER seen a system with year-plus long launch fever. This has never happened before. And I see quite strongly that this new phenomenon will extend itself into 2008 holidays as well. Launch fever for 2 years running is what I see. And Nintendo has to capture some of this.

Nintendo is capable of producing whatever it takes to meet demand. Whether that be 1.8 million, 2.4 million, 3.6 million, 4.8 million, or 9.6 million. That last number is used for exaggerative effect but you get my point.

If demand demands it, supply will have to meet it.

Perhaps that 9.6 million exaggeration won't be so hyperbolistic after all the way things are going.

Expect 60 million in 2008's swansong when this is all said and done with.

Nintendo simply doesn't sleep on these kinds of opportunities, conservative or not. 

John Lucas 



Words from the Official VGChartz Idiot

WE ARE THE NATION...OF DOMINATION!

 

Nintendo could do
new colours (maybe even with more flash mem)
price cut
bundle another game
add DVD playback

if they did at least two of these, I think 3,6M/month (over a whole year) would be possible. Without them, I'd say 2,5M.



Mountie said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Mountie said:
Avinash,

You've been around long enough to know that you can't compare Wii first year to PS2 first year properly since the PS2 launched in Japan first:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS2®2=All&cons3=PS2®3=Japan&weeks=156

By the slopes of the graphs you can tell that the Wii is selling at approximately the same rate as the PS2 in its first year once the rest of the world kicked in. True, the Wii was supply constrained whereas the PS2 wasn't. But you can't say the Wii will double because the PS2 doubled, because the PS2 DIDN'T! Look at the slopes, they are the same.

This is an interesting graph showing how the Wii is currently doing in Japan:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS2®2=All&cons3=Wii®3=Japan&weeks=156


Yes that's true that PS2 launched earlier in Japan than in other regions, but that is by and large irrelevant since in every region Wii is leading over PS2 sales over the same time period, which shows that Wii demand and production is higher (Since Wii was able to enter the markets much faster and sell in all three at a higher rate)

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=Japan&cons2=PS2®2=Japan&cons3=X360®3=------&weeks=58 

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=America&cons2=PS2®2=America&cons3=X360®3=------&weeks=58

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=Total+Other&cons2=PS2®2=Total+Other&cons3=X360®3=------&weeks=58

So while its true that PS2's doubling was more due to adding more regions than anything, but even taking PS2 out of the equation we still see the rise in DS sales which does by and large double as well in its second year

 


Yes, I've kicked over one strawman (the PS2) now to take the DS.......

The Wii is selling as well as the DS in its 2nd year (which is phenomenal obviously!!!) But for it to double, it would sell pretty much as fast as the DS is selling right now! Just looking at price alone do you think that's possible?!!? The DS costs like half as much!

For those reasons, its safe to assume that a 50% increase is reasonable but 100% isn't without either a price drop or new colours. Especially since the Wii has more competition than the DS.


 Ah, this is where your argument fails, price is not the determining aspect in sales, software is, and Wii fit will be able to propel Wii sales to new heights.

 

Also the PS2 is not a strawman as we've seen the Wii has surpassedthe first year equivalents of the PS2 in each region, there is no doubt that it  will be able to sell even more than the PS2 in the coming year, thanks to Wii fit, so while PS2 didn't actually double, it just added regions, Wii probably will.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Price doesn't wholly determine sales. WOOOOWWWW. We all know that. But to say that the Wii's or DS's lower price hasn't helped with SOME part of their success is just flat out ridiculous. I suppose Nintendo should jack the price, but because they're such a nice company they don't? Sheesh.

Wii Fit is an interesting variable but if you think Wii's are supply constrained.....



Prediction:

The PS2 & PS3 will outsell the Wii in 2008.

Lifetime sales of PS3 in Japan will be at least 8 million consoles.

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Mountie said:
Price doesn't wholly determine sales. WOOOOWWWW. We all know that. But to say that the Wii's or DS's lower price hasn't helped with SOME part of their success is just flat out ridiculous. I suppose Nintendo should jack the price, but because they're such a nice company they don't? Sheesh.

Wii Fit is an interesting variable but if you think Wii's are supply constrained.....

 I point you to Ebay where Wii's are selling for almost twice the retail price, please Nintendo could have gotten massive sales at higher price in fact look at it from a monopolistic competition point of view and you see that Wii is actually at a lower than optimal price for Nintendo, they are leaving profits on the table.

 

Its wrong to think price is the decider, it didn't help the GCN for example, software is the key and Wii has the software that the public wants, only supply will hinder Wii sales



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:

Ah, this is where your argument fails, price is not the determining aspect in sales, software is, and Wii fit will be able to propel Wii sales to new heights.


 Oh yeah. The wii would seel 10 million a month with a price tag of $1000. Help me ronda!



Just_Ben said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

Ah, this is where your argument fails, price is not the determining aspect in sales, software is, and Wii fit will be able to propel Wii sales to new heights.


 Oh yeah. The wii would seel 10 million a month with a price tag of $1000. Help me ronda!


 If it had experiences worth $1000 dollars to people it would, if playing Wii wcould heal every ailment, in your body, increase your health with minimal effort and cause you to lose all excess fat without any effort, people would pay a $1000 dollars for it without a doubt



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

That's it folks, I'm out of here. We officially have the messiah that is Wii being preached by the disciples. Run while you can!



Prediction:

The PS2 & PS3 will outsell the Wii in 2008.

Lifetime sales of PS3 in Japan will be at least 8 million consoles.

Avinash_Tyagi said:
Just_Ben said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

Ah, this is where your argument fails, price is not the determining aspect in sales, software is, and Wii fit will be able to propel Wii sales to new heights.


Oh yeah. The wii would seel 10 million a month with a price tag of $1000. Help me ronda!


If it had experiences worth $1000 dollars to people it would, if playing Wii wcould heal every ailment, in your body, increase your health with minimal effort and cause you to lose all excess fat without any effort, people would pay a $1000 dollars for it without a doubt


 You are funier than JL. No it won't sell in this masses if it would have a price tag of $1000. Never. I wouldn't have bought mine, that would just to expensive. Plain and Simple. Some would buy it, but never these masses. Forget about it.