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disolitude on 11 February 2011
Soleron said:
disolitude said:

Nintendo has to completely abandon their innovation and games and go on vacation for a year for NGP to beat it.

Either the NGP will have installments of the major third party series already announced for the 3DS, or not. (FF, DQ, KH, Resi, MGS, AC).

If it doesn't, it automatically loses because it has no games.

If it does, it's likely they won't be ports of the 3DS version or vice versa. So it comes down to which platform the developers put more effort into. It's hard to say which that is going to be.

So, can you see any of the games I listed being better on the NGP, or better on the 3DS?

I don't know if these games matter to be honest.

The thing is, none of those games are great portable games... Super Mario Bros, Monster Hunter, Nintendogs, Pokemon, Brainage will move much more units than any of those games.

Both NGP and 3DS will come very strongly out of the gate but unless Sony quickly learns how to make good portable and casual games, they will not stand a chance to beat 3DS.



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darthdevidem01 on 11 February 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
darthdevidem01 said:

Its gonna be hard as this time the DS has the more powerful brand name which can harm the prospects of PSP2.

Its really on what kind of word of mouth the 3D has for 3DS and the price of the PSP2.

first off i know i'm late, but welcome back darth.

gamecube anyone $99.99? (love that console)

but i do agree that the price has to be lower then $300.00, while some may say (hey whts 50 bucks?)

Sony needs big hits for both the hardcore crowd and the casual, and not recycled returns/matterial/games that exist on other platforms.

as for me its going to be harder for Sony to get me (as it will for the big 3 as a whole in the future/next gen)

20 games(up 5) that are not repeats of existing franchises, that innovate, and use the NGP to its fullest.

Yeah games are definitely important. It really needs that big killer app that can sell systems (DS had Nintendogs as a new IP killer app, then old massive hits like NSMB DS, Pokemon and so on). Basically PSP never did have one of those if we look at its software sales, the closest was the GTA games.

And now in the last two years PSP is just JRPG heaven (thats why I re-bought one after being initially disappointed).

Neither 3DS nor NGP have interested me that much so far, neither are on my to buy list, especially not with the way PS3 and PC (especially PC games line up is so awesome for this year) line up is shaping up this year.



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disolitude on 11 February 2011
dany612 said:
disolitude said:

Nintendo has to completely abandon their innovation and games and go on vacation for a year for NGP to beat it.


Have you forgotten that the PSP beat the DS in its first year?


When PSP came out, there was nothing like it on the market. It was the best media center device by far...

Today, NGP has as a media center has to compete with 100 million smart phones, other portables like Zune HD, Itouch and Archos devices and tablets.



M.U.G.E.N on 11 February 2011

no way..NGP was dead on arrival last year when we knew jack about it remember? It won't have dev support yada yada yada :D oh good times of fanboy threads

Sony has done everything right so far, games are good (from what lil we know of it)....dev support has been nothing but impressive so far, features fans asked for plus things that actually create interesting gameplay possibilities....

So who knows...I fully expect NGP to do better than the PSP...but DS brand name is huge...but then again, this is an industry where leaders fall from former grace all the time..tho some tend to forget that

oh and I think NGP and PS Suit are a combo package in their plan...time will tell how it works out



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darthdevidem01 on 11 February 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:

no way..NGP was dead on arrival last year when we knew jack about it remember? It won't have dev support yada yada yada :D oh good times of fanboy threads

Sony has done everything right so far, games are good (from what lil we know of it)....dev support has been nothing but impressive so far, features fans asked for plus things that actually create interesting gameplay possibilities....

So who knows...I fully expect NGP to do better than the PSP...but DS brand name is huge...but then again, this is an industry where leaders fall from former grace all the time..tho some tend to forget that

oh and I think NGP and PS Suit are a combo package in their plan...time will tell how it works out

Oh that was so hilarious post last E3.

I enjoyed it so much cus I was a PSP hater until 6 months ago trololol.

Anyway its clear now NGP will be anything but dead, Japan alone will prevent that.



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A203D on 11 February 2011

Imo i dont think its possible. however.... it depends on 3D. will people use it. i mean any game can be played without 3D right. a lot of people might not use it if:

it affects the eyes, like giving you eye strain or dryness, making it irritating for you.

if it casues some form of nausia, what i mean is that the 3DS is a protable device - is it really sensible to be using the 3D tech in the car, or not the train, plane, when your already in motion. does it work well in that environment?

how good is the 3D. is it ambigious, or is it crystal clear visuals. does the game blur for something like racing games? is 3D suited to high speed games, etc does it actully make the gameplay more fluid or just impair your ability to play.

so while i think the NPG might be excellent at what it does, i dont see anything beating 3DS, unless 3D isnt that good anyway... which i'm leaning towards anyway, because i think 3D is probabily better for just watching a movie or something, not really for games.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 11 February 2011
darthdevidem01 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
darthdevidem01 said:

Its gonna be hard as this time the DS has the more powerful brand name which can harm the prospects of PSP2.

Its really on what kind of word of mouth the 3D has for 3DS and the price of the PSP2.

first off i know i'm late, but welcome back darth.

gamecube anyone $99.99? (love that console)

but i do agree that the price has to be lower then $300.00, while some may say (hey whts 50 bucks?)

Sony needs big hits for both the hardcore crowd and the casual, and not recycled returns/matterial/games that exist on other platforms.

as for me its going to be harder for Sony to get me (as it will for the big 3 as a whole in the future/next gen)

20 games(up 5) that are not repeats of existing franchises, that innovate, and use the NGP to its fullest.

Yeah games are definitely important. It really needs that big killer app that can sell systems (DS had Nintendogs as a new IP killer app, then old massive hits like NSMB DS, Pokemon and so on). Basically PSP never did have one of those if we look at its software sales, the closest was the GTA games.

And now in the last two years PSP is just JRPG heaven (thats why I re-bought one after being initially disappointed).

Neither 3DS nor NGP have interested me that much so far, neither are on my to buy list, especially not with the way PS3 and PC (especially PC games line up is so awesome for this year) line up is shaping up this year.

i have to agree with everything you said and more, but theres one thing i left out?

all 20 have to be new IP'S as they will have and atlest 15 have to be published by Sony! i demand alot?

i bought a PS3 knowing Sony would do it for that system and at that time the big3 only needed 8 games (only one manufacture failed at reaching eight), and as we both know Sony well surpassed that!

i'm not as optomistic about NGP reaching this mark as i was about PS3, but they just may do it nad i'll be a handheld gamer and owner for the first time if Sony can do it.

not a fan of 3d so i won't be getting a 3ds.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 11 February 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:

no way..NGP was dead on arrival last year when we knew jack about it remember? It won't have dev support yada yada yada :D oh good times of fanboy threads

Sony has done everything right so far, games are good (from what lil we know of it)....dev support has been nothing but impressive so far, features fans asked for plus things that actually create interesting gameplay possibilities....

So who knows...I fully expect NGP to do better than the PSP...but DS brand name is huge...but then again, this is an industry where leaders fall from former grace all the time..tho some tend to forget that

oh and I think NGP and PS Suit are a combo package in their plan...time will tell how it works out

yep all seems to be good.

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M.U.G.E.N on 11 February 2011
darthdevidem01 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

no way..NGP was dead on arrival last year when we knew jack about it remember? It won't have dev support yada yada yada :D oh good times of fanboy threads

Sony has done everything right so far, games are good (from what lil we know of it)....dev support has been nothing but impressive so far, features fans asked for plus things that actually create interesting gameplay possibilities....

So who knows...I fully expect NGP to do better than the PSP...but DS brand name is huge...but then again, this is an industry where leaders fall from former grace all the time..tho some tend to forget that

oh and I think NGP and PS Suit are a combo package in their plan...time will tell how it works out

Oh that was so hilarious post last E3.

I enjoyed it so much cus I was a PSP hater until 6 months ago trololol.

Anyway its clear now NGP will be anything but dead, Japan alone will prevent that.

yep post E3 was annoying for me tho :P but it brings some good laughs now

lol at least now you have it, you have seen the light

yep and tbh that's what matters if you are fan of the psp line..if NGP is looking to be anything but dead, it will have support..and devs are lining up one after another to say how easy it is to make games for it..and PS Suit is the other end of Sony's approach, this will ensure a steady stream of games for Android (think it supports other OS's too, not sure) plus NGP. I can't wait to get mine :D

oh and as Darth Kun knows, Kojima-sama aka GOD himself is supporting it! That's all we need to know



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AnveL on 11 February 2011

isn't it still too early to discuss about this as 3DS already annouced everything and even ready to go on sales... but NGP haven't even annouce much info about everything it will have yet...