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SamuelRSmith said:
SpartenOmega117 said:

You know almost no country that went in battle in Afganistan won. The entire U.S. intervention in Afghanistan has been a waste of time. Afghanistan is unwinnable and will probably never change.


I disagree, if we had different intentions, the outcome would have been much different. If the war had been a full scale invasion a la Iraq, Afghanistan would have been in a much better position by now.

Well, that's my view.


throughout history afganistan has been the center of many ways. Soviets had an all out attack on Afghanistan but still couldnt win.



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Mr Khan said:
highwaystar101 said:

Oh dear.

Initially I was sceptical about this story, but a little research shows that it was true. The reason that I was sceptical is that it is in article 2 of the UN universal declaration of human rights, which I believe Afghanistan have to follow, that no one shall have distinction made by their government based on their religion. They are breaking this code if they execute this convert. Heck, they are breaking the law if they give him a slap on the wrist.

If they do go through with this then I should hope that the whole world who abide by the universal declaration of human rights condemns them for their actions.

I think people should have the right to believe whatever religion they like.

North Korea's on the declaration of Human Rights too. Most of them sign it with riding waivers that more or less state "we'll observe the parts of this that we want to observe" (which is the case with a lot of western countries, too)

The major difference is North Korea isn't getting billions of dollars in support and being propped up by Western countries. Afghanistan's Government was put in place to keep extremists out, to create a democratic country that would help North America and Europe hunt down Osama and keep terrorists out of control.

Why should Canada, US , UK and the dozen or so other countries in Afghanistan help Karzai if his Government is going to do the exact same thing as the Taliban they are fighting? Karzai signed the Decleration of Human Rights to show that Afghanistan was becoming a moderate modern nation.

Killing a man because of his fiath is a major issue and our governments should not stand idol as Afghanistan does so. Our leaders should publically condem it and maybe even take action against it. If it means threatening financial support or military support then we should do so.

I wonder what Karzai would say if Canada threatened to not train the Afghan National Army if they executed Christian's? Or if Canada threatened to reduce aid. or if any western country threatened to do so. I think our countries should expect more from Afghanistan, our soldeirs are being slaughtered to keep this Government in power and as such the Afghan government should abide by its agreements and listen to our countries concerns.



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Muslim countries are ridiculous. I actually find it hilarious how they are a "religion of peace" but they stop people from converting to other religions under threat of death. Great religion you have there. 



The only way to save them is through education.

Let the people fight for their own cause.



The intervention WAS NOT a waste of time, it's just that it served some purpose different from public view. Look at opium's production for example. Middle East is and always was used as weapon against commies, to say that controlling Afgan is a waste of time is just stupid.



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SpartenOmega117 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
SpartenOmega117 said:

You know almost no country that went in battle in Afganistan won. The entire U.S. intervention in Afghanistan has been a waste of time. Afghanistan is unwinnable and will probably never change.


I disagree, if we had different intentions, the outcome would have been much different. If the war had been a full scale invasion a la Iraq, Afghanistan would have been in a much better position by now.

Well, that's my view.


throughout history afganistan has been the center of many ways. Soviets had an all out attack on Afghanistan but still couldnt win.

It's not like the Mujiadeen were fighting alone.

They had significant financial support from every country not in the soviet block including China, and significant support in training via CIA officers and were given the best weapons the US had at the time.  The Chinese sold them tanks. 

Even then, the Soviets could of won.  Gorbachov however pulled out, well... because he was Gorbachov he wanted to ease tensions and the US and China basically made removing forces from Afghanistan a priority.

Afghanistan gets way too much credit for "holding off the russians alone" because nobody wants to shed too much of a light on how much other countries helped out.  Heck, it's ignored that at the same exact time Gorbachov pulled out of OTHER nations who's occupations were going well.

Afghanistan didn't really win so much as the new administration went with a policy shift and they still existed when it happened.

Had the US went all out and took out all the main players, they really would of been fine.  They really were just after Bin Laden though.



Mr Khan said:
highwaystar101 said:

Oh dear.

Initially I was sceptical about this story, but a little research shows that it was true. The reason that I was sceptical is that it is in article 2 of the UN universal declaration of human rights, which I believe Afghanistan have to follow, that no one shall have distinction made by their government based on their religion. They are breaking this code if they execute this convert. Heck, they are breaking the law if they give him a slap on the wrist.

If they do go through with this then I should hope that the whole world who abide by the universal declaration of human rights condemns them for their actions.

I think people should have the right to believe whatever religion they like.

North Korea's on the declaration of Human Rights too. Most of them sign it with riding waivers that more or less state "we'll observe the parts of this that we want to observe" (which is the case with a lot of western countries, too)


Well that's thoroughly depressing.



So I read today that within a few days the USA Government plans to execute a man for converting to being a murderer from not being a murderer. Now a few years ago their was a similiar case but after highly paid lawyers got the jury upset the man was granted asylum.

However in this case the hundreds of people on deathrow have three days to pay hundreds of thousands to lawyers or they will be killed.The USA signed Universal Decleration of Human rights which states every citizen has the right to life. Our countries (While anyone in Canada, Australia, U.K or most of europe) are the ones who support this government.

Our countries should demand immediaty that the US Government not execute this poor individual. How else are we supposed to help create a democratic America if we don't even stand up for the basic values that make democracy work.

I am ashamed to know that my countries soldiers are dead and being killed for a Government that will slaughter anyone who kills a person. Why are we helping this horrible regime, we should be demanding immediate change or send in our troops.

Womens rights are also being reversed, what makes this Government any better then any previous American government, if they would kill someone for simply believing as they believe then they don't deserve help from the democratic countries of the world.

 

Edit - I just finished emailing the Prime Minister, the leaders of both opposition parties as well as my MLA. I would hope some of you would contact your Government's. Their is no way that our democratic countries should support such atrocities. Our countries need to intervene!

 

Glass hosues, my friend.



scottie said:

So I read today that within a few days the USA Government plans to execute a man for converting to being a murderer from not being a murderer. Now a few years ago their was a similiar case but after highly paid lawyers got the jury upset the man was granted asylum.

However in this case the hundreds of people on deathrow have three days to pay hundreds of thousands to lawyers or they will be killed.The USA signed Universal Decleration of Human rights which states every citizen has the right to life. Our countries (While anyone in Canada, Australia, U.K or most of europe) are the ones who support this government.

Our countries should demand immediaty that the US Government not execute this poor individual. How else are we supposed to help create a democratic America if we don't even stand up for the basic values that make democracy work.

I am ashamed to know that my countries soldiers are dead and being killed for a Government that will slaughter anyone who kills a person. Why are we helping this horrible regime, we should be demanding immediate change or send in our troops.

Womens rights are also being reversed, what makes this Government any better then any previous American government, if they would kill someone for simply believing as they believe then they don't deserve help from the democratic countries of the world.

 

Edit - I just finished emailing the Prime Minister, the leaders of both opposition parties as well as my MLA. I would hope some of you would contact your Government's. Their is no way that our democratic countries should support such atrocities. Our countries need to intervene!

 

Glass hosues, my friend.

Was this supposed to be a joke? or are you actually comparing converting to Christianity to murder? How anyone can condone or justify murder of an innocent man is beyond me. If your actually comparing conversion to murder that is sick. If your making a joke, haha but its something to serious to be joking about. Killing a man for his religious beliefs is wrong in any sense of the word. Conversion is in no way like murder.



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Joelcool7 said:
scottie said:

Was this supposed to be a joke? or are you actually comparing converting to Christianity to murder? How anyone can condone or justify murder of an innocent man is beyond me. If your actually comparing conversion to murder that is sick. If your making a joke, haha but its something to serious to be joking about. Killing a man for his religious beliefs is wrong in any sense of the word. Conversion is in no way like murder.


No, not a joke.

 

There is no excuse for murder. Whatever justification you provide, it is still murder. By supporting some murders, you lose all right to oppose all other murders.