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Final Fantasy: Officialy burnt out?

Yes 130 47.62%
 
No 94 34.43%
 
GIVE DEM A CHANCE! 40 14.65%
 
Not an FPS so I don't care :-) 9 3.30%
 
Total:273
Boutros said:

People have always had the wrong expectations for the franchise.

Final Fantasy is for Square-Enix what Mario is for Nintendo.

It's not because I've played (so-so) games like Mario Party 8, Super Paper Mario or Mario Strikers that I'm going to doom the franchise to die.

Final Fantasy is just a name. Just a tag to help sell the game.

Every new Final Fantasy is a new game, a new experience. They aren't related one another.


Exactly. It is quite possible your not going to like every single one. For instance I like some Tales games but I don't like some of the others. However I don't doom the franchise because I didn't like a few. Move on and get over it.

Final Fantasy for some reason has always clicked with me. I don't dislike any of them. However I will admit that I do have sme problems with XIV. The series is not doomed or anywhere near it.



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Boutros said:

People have always had the wrong expectations for the franchise.

Final Fantasy is for Square-Enix what Mario is for Nintendo.

It's not because I've played (so-so) games like Mario Party 8, Super Paper Mario or Mario Strikers that I'm going to doom the franchise to die.

Final Fantasy is just a name. Just a tag to help sell the game.

Every new Final Fantasy is a new game, a new experience. They aren't related one another.

I like the way you're thinking here. However, due to posting twice in a row before, I shall wait before I post this comment. So here's a video of FF13-2 in case you haven't seen it:

So yeah. Looks pretty awesome. But your point about Final Fantasy to Mario is one I never really thought of before. However, there hasn't been a "mainline" Mario game which has disappointed me yet, but FF11, 13 and 9 did just that. I haven't played FF14 enough yet to make my opinion about it



 

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Boutros said:
Conegamer said:
Boutros said:

omg so much fail.

Would you like to explain why you're beating up on my opinion and a random article from a completely different website? Because then maybe you'll have a point. Now, it just seems as though you're trolling, and whilst it may not be your intention, I feel as though my point was pretty well put forward, so I believe yours should be as well.

I was talking about Jim Sterling's article. It's so very flawed.

I didn't even read what you wrote in the OP lawl and I didn't even know who posted it when I wrote my post.

I read the article on N4G so I already knew what the thread was about.

Well then, that's OK. I'll let you off this time

Sterling's articles, for the most part, are flawed. They are also (as can be seen here) pretty controversial! I never realised there was one up on N4G...

Also, I haven't played the Tales Series, but I've played enough FF games to notice that the magic isn't there for me anymore. Not it's a bad series mind. Far from it! But I think they need to go a different way that FF13, return to what made 12 and 7 (and 10) great, and PUT BACK IN THE TOWNS AND NPC'S! That's where my issue lies. There isn't just the odd poor installment, there seems to be a run of them. Maybe they need to just release a new IP and go back to the FF series with new ideas.



 

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Also this would be like me saying that Call of Duty is doomed. I haven't really liked a single entry in that entire series but there is no denying that it is a success. It isn't doomed. When Final Fantasy sells like shit then we'll talk.



Conegamer said:

I suppose your right, in terms of sales, it's better than ever

However, for many people, it's the quality that counts. And that's what the article was talking about. The quality has been in a downward spiral ever since Sakaguchi left for me, aside from X and XII, great games which pioneered the genre

However, akin to Activision and COD, just how long will it last if they milk the same cow? People will eventually catch on, and after the disappointment (for many) of FF13, some won't be returning

I don't hate FF. I love it. But FF11, FF13 and FF14 aren't real FF games. And that's just too frequent for me. I shall give them one last chance, like I did Sonic with Sonic Colours, and they pulled it out the bag. Let's hope that Squeenix can do the same...

We have no idea what the majority of people who played Final Fantasy XIII thought about it. We just know what people on forums like this think about it, and it seems to be split 50/50. Judging from the legs the game itself has had, it's liked. We can fairly assume that IMO.

It's like Marmite. You love it or you hate it.

The quality of the games in the perspective of the general public can't have changed that much since VIII released neither really. Obviously, the series has never (And probably will never) reached the heights of VII, but it still sells extremely well. X sold well despite all the bitching about change. XI was a huge money earner for SE so it must have had an active userbase. X-2 sold amazingly despite it being an abomination. XII sold well despite launching after next-gen machines were released. XIII as I've already said has sold extremely well. 

The only problem comes really from XIV. It's an unfinished mess. 90% of people who talk about it know it is. Square Enix know it is.

Edit:

Pokemon. Pokemon is a perfect example of how this is wrong. Mainline Pokemon games sell in the MILLIONS. They are the best of the best. Pokemon Spinoffs are generally regarded as the "meh" games. They don't sell anywhere near as well as mainline games, yet they don't hurt the franchise at all. 

One mainline game seen as bad on the Internet (Ruby/Sapphire) didn't kill the franchise off. The spinoffs haven't killed the franchise off. Black/White is selling amazingly well already. One bad game (or several bad spin offs among a number of excellent mainline games) will not kill off a franchise as big as this.



                            

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Conegamer said:
SHMUPGurus said:
Conegamer said:
SHMUPGurus said:

I agree with Jim. Squeenix mostly shine when they make original IPs anyway. Let the teams do something else... How about another Einhander or Dirge of Cerberus (without the Final Fantasy)?

Heck, I'd be quite happy if they just continued with Kingdom Hearts and Dragon Quest, though it seems as though all that potential for new IPs is going to waste...

Yeah. In my opinion, Kingdom Hearts is pretty much the only good thing that came out after the Square and Enix merge... Oh and FFXII!

Indefinately. FF12 has to be one of the great games of the PS2. 

But how long did it take to make? 4 years? Maybe 5? 

And how many FF games are we looking at this year. Precisely

 

Also, I don't think most people enjoyed FF13. And just because it sells well, doesn't mean it's any good. Look at Ninjabread man and other Wii shovelware for example


Um, the Wii shovelware doesn't sell well for the most part, neither did Ninjabread Man.

And it's the fact that the sales are frontloaded that is the proof most gamers dind't enjoy FFXIII (same with Other M and Heavy Rain), while gamers like games like Red Dead Redemption, Just Dance (it's not shovelware just because some people don't like it), and even Epic Mickey.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Yeah, I completely disagree. The only game that really hurt the franchise, imo, was FFXIV. That game is just horrible, but I certainly consider FFXIII to quite a gem.

It also doesn't help that 3 of top 5 most anticipated games have Final Fantasy in them. >_>

Yeah, it's not a dead series at all.



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as technology advances ff games will decrease in quality. people can support 2d japanese characters, and 3d ones to an extent, but come on, who can support hd japanese characters with their feminin voices and weird voices.



Being in 3rd place never felt so good

Forums weren't heavy around the time when VIII and IX were released but I gurantee you there would be as much moaning about the series then as there is now. I hear all the time how much VIII sucked from TONS of people. Then I go somewhere else and I'm told how flippin AWESOME VIII was (and it f'n is). Same with IX, X, XI (if you haven't played this go jump off a bridge), XII and even XIII. Hell even the GODLY (not really) VII has people that oppose it.



Carl2291 said:
Conegamer said:

I suppose your right, in terms of sales, it's better than ever

However, for many people, it's the quality that counts. And that's what the article was talking about. The quality has been in a downward spiral ever since Sakaguchi left for me, aside from X and XII, great games which pioneered the genre

However, akin to Activision and COD, just how long will it last if they milk the same cow? People will eventually catch on, and after the disappointment (for many) of FF13, some won't be returning

I don't hate FF. I love it. But FF11, FF13 and FF14 aren't real FF games. And that's just too frequent for me. I shall give them one last chance, like I did Sonic with Sonic Colours, and they pulled it out the bag. Let's hope that Squeenix can do the same...

We have no idea what the majority of people who played Final Fantasy XIII thought about it. We just know what people on forums like this think about it, and it seems to be split 50/50. Judging from the legs the game itself has had, it's liked. We can fairly assume that IMO.

It's like Marmite. You love it or you hate it.

The quality of the games in the perspective of the general public can't have changed that much since VIII released neither really. Obviously, the series has never (And probably will never) reached the heights of VII, but it still sells extremely well. X sold well despite all the bitching about change. XI was a huge money earner for SE so it must have had an active userbase. X-2 sold amazingly despite it being an abomination. XII sold well despite launching after next-gen machines were released. XIII as I've already said has sold extremely well. 

The only problem comes really from XIV. It's an unfinished mess. 90% of people who talk about it know it is. Square Enix know it is.

Edit:

Pokemon. Pokemon is a perfect example of how this is wrong. Mainline Pokemon games sell in the MILLIONS. They are the best of the best. Pokemon Spinoffs are generally regarded as the "meh" games. They don't sell anywhere near as well as mainline games, yet they don't hurt the franchise at all. 

One mainline game seen as bad on the Internet (Ruby/Sapphire) didn't kill the franchise off. The spinoffs haven't killed the franchise off. Black/White is selling amazingly well already. One bad game (or several bad spin offs among a number of excellent mainline games) will not kill off a franchise as big as this.

I suppose it's like Other M in terms of whether you like it or not eh?

Also, Ruby and Sapphire are awesome. Whoever said that, well...that's it now. Though Pokemon spin-offs are pretty poor. 

Don't forget about how big it was though. Cards, TV show, films, games...it had it all! And FF never had that support



 

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