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darkknightkryta on 28 January 2011
HideoK said:
darkknightkryta said:

You guys got it all wrong!  You're not supposed to go from PS3 to NGP, you're supposed to go from NGP to PS3.  All dl games on NGP running on PS3.

I think you got it wrong. PS3 games MGS4 and Yakuza were easily ported in a couple days to NGP.

You misunderstood me.  They showed those off to show it can be done, but don't think PS3 to NGP, think the other way around.  I mean how many people were complaining that they'd buy PSP games if it wasn't on PSP?  Make PSP games, have the PS3 version ready, or in this case, make your NGP game, and have the PS3 version ready.



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HideoK on 28 January 2011
darkknightkryta said:

You misunderstood me.  They showed those off to show it can be done, but don't think PS3 to NGP, think the other way around.  I mean how many people were complaining that they'd buy PSP games if it wasn't on PSP?  Make PSP games, have the PS3 version ready, or in this case, make your NGP game, and have the PS3 version ready.

Yeah, I understand now. That would be a very smart move!

I am holding out on buying MGS: Peace Walker and God of War: Ghost of Sparta hoping that they will come to PSN playable on PS3.



IMU1808 on 28 January 2011

This madness has to stop... It's only day two... How many threads are you going to create?



Zlejedi on 28 January 2011

This should make a lot of smaller projects viable on both PS3 and NGS that previously were not big enough.

Also Japanise developers should be happy - they can make portable version for bid domestic sales and small WW sales and at the same time develop ps3 version which will sell less domestically by much better WW.



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silicon on 28 January 2011

In terms of saving game companies... that Playstation Android hybrid will help create more revenue for some companies. Selling PSone, and possible PSP or PS2 games on Android phones is huge.

It's a low risk and small investment that gets their games out to a huge audience.

Win win?

IMO they used that to leverage developer support for NGP. That and the fact that it seems  really easy to port games onto.



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HappySqurriel on 28 January 2011
kitler53 said:
HappySqurriel said:

Just on people buying multiple versions of the same game ...

From what I have seen, most people can be motivated to buy a re-release of a game they already own but this typically only happens if the new version of the game is released years after the initial release; and typically only if it is released on a handheld or next generation console.

There are a handful of people who will buy multiple versions of the same game on different platforms at the same time, but this is an insignificant minority; and certainly not a good idea to build your business model around them.

okay -- i'll conceed your point.  really though, the way i'm envisioning this is something like the remote play that the psp already features. 

now i don't have a psp so i may be a bit off on this but remote play basically lets you interact with your ps3 and play the games right off of your ps3.  the thing is -- not many games are remote play enabled and the one that are enabled are psn (graphical not intesive games).  the psp2 (err..NGP) appears to be able to handle full out ps3 games such as MGS4 even if it is slightly downgraded AND finally has the second analog to support all game types.

so in short what i'm saying is this -- i'll easily pay $500 for a psp2 if it meant i could remote play my ps3 games by whatever technical means is required to do it.  that would be my selling point.  i think it would be a great buisness model to allow that kind of back and forth.  and for developers they could release the game as NGP or a ps360 release and let the consumer decided where they want to buy it.

i dunno, maybe i'm asking for too much.  i'd be excited though.

Hypothetically speaking, had features not been stripped from the PS3 prior to launch it might have been possible to remotely play PS3 games on a PSP within your own home. I could be wrong but I seem to remember that the PS3 was initially supposed to have a built in wireless router, and with the resolution of handheld systems being what they are, you could have the game being played on your PS3 with the graphics and audio streamed to your PSP.

The only (real) problem would be that games would have to be designed for this functionality, because many HD console games are difficult to play on fairly large screen SDTVs because text becomes unreadable; and I suspect that it would be just as bad on a portable device unless the developers forcused on it.

 

It still is a feature which could be implemented by hooking the PS3 up to a network with a wireless router that the PSP could connect to; but that is adding hardware, latency, and a lot of unknowns (due to bandwith and compatibility of the vast arrays of routers out there).

Thinking about it, that might be an interesting feature to add to next generation consoles ...



irstupid on 28 January 2011
Joelcool7 said:

I spent the majority of yesterday reading up on the NGP on Kotaku and many other sites. I created several threads but have thought of something else. The third party support while few titles have been unvieled could the easy portability save third parties.

These last few weeks have seen lay offs and studio closures across the globe. The last decade has seen the ends of big giants like Midway and Acclaim. Other big publishers like Atari have been on the verge of collapse for years. The industry is growing but studios are going down every few days, these aren't small indy studios these are big proffesional high end game studios like Propaganda.

Anyways a key part of Sony's presentation showed off MGS4 and other titles like Yakuza. Key comments from third parties stated that they could port a title to NGP in a matter of weeks at very little cost. Up until now PS3 has been the most expensive platform to develop for but if you could port your title to two other consoles that gives you two more market spaces to sell on. The 360 and NGP offer two markets.

Now some will say if the game doesn't sell on PS3 why would it sell on NGP? Well NGP is a portable and if the DS has taught us anything is that portable games have tremendous selling power if marketed right. Many PSP games have shipped over a million copies and many more DS games have also done so, proving their is a market for handheld games as well as home console titles. Think about it, PSP is so widely pirated getting any sales is a miracle , yet several titles have shipped over a million copies, with NGP the piracy issue will be dealt with so if the console sells well it could potentially have a 10-million seller, wow that would be a dream come true.

In the end several gamers will buy both the portable versions of their games and the home version. With another platform to sell their games on could this potentially save several game studios? Think if the game sells say 300K on PS3/360 and another 100k on NGP it could make the difference between loosing cash and breaking even.

What do you think could NGP help save the high end game studios, making PS3/360 titles cross platform and as such more profitable?

while yes the DS has shown and even PSP shown that SOME games can sell a crap load.  But those famous games being brought up and talked about like Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, MGS and others are NOT the type of games that have been those insane handheld numbers.

not saying they can't produce huge, or that even small amounts won't help developer/publisher, but you can't say because Nintendogs, brain age, monster hunter, or pokemon sold a gajillion that, that will equate to those above games selling a gajillion.  they are not the same type of game. 



pizzahut451 on 28 January 2011
IMU1808 said:

This madness has to stop... It's only day two... How many threads are you going to create?


The new next gen system just got announced, what did you excpect? Dont excpect so many threads in the future (except on launch), this is still the biggest gaming news as of now.



IMU1808 on 28 January 2011
pizzahut451 said:
IMU1808 said:

This madness has to stop... It's only day two... How many threads are you going to create?


The new next gen system just got announced, what did you excpect? Dont excpect so many threads in the future (except on launch), this is still the biggest gaming news as of now.

I'm talking about a ton of pro and anti threads from ONE GUY.



mhsillen on 28 January 2011
antcar18 said:

Finally a good thread about NGP it will save lots of studios and create new ones since it has Playstation Suite. All games don't have to be million sellers. This is why I expect NGP to give 3DS a big problem its alot more 3rd party friendly than the PSP and I think the market for the 3DS is small due to market saturation by Nintendo.


I see what your saying Nintendo saturation from GB and GBA killed the ds